The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

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    The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    12 Games In and Fatal Flawed Offense:

    4 Games Scoring 2 Runs or Less    33% of Games Played

    8 Games Scoring 3 Runs or Less    67% of Games Played

    For the American League, and a team in Fenway, that aint gonna get it done!

    Fools will look aggregate season averages that are skewed because of 12 run games.

    Either this team trades for a true young superstar RH bat or 2009, 2010 and 2011 will look like good years.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    12 games in and pitching is inconsistent.

    4 out games allowed 6 runs or more - 33% of games played.

    7 games allowed 4 runs or more - 58% of games played.

    Tampa plays in the American League and is doing just as good as Boston with less offense.

    Season averages mean close to nothing after just 12 games.

    There is no quick fix.

    That is all.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    Tampa isn't a contender. Tampa has some of the best pitching in the AL.

    Get out of here if you think giving up 4 runs means a truly good offensive team doesn't have a great chance to win every such game.

    The "it's the pitching" are complete idiots.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    And, game pressure isn't reflected in the "runs allowed in late innings" because the sorry baseball flawed lineup sits on 2 runs or less into the late innings. Get a life, people! Wake up!

    A superstar RH bat will be the quickest fix since Manny Ramriez!
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    AGon
    Fatal Flaw
    Ortiz

    Fix fatal flaw, start beating the best pitching teams!

    See 2009 NY Yankees and Manny era Red Sox!
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    In Response to Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender:
    [QUOTE]Tampa isn't a contender. Tampa has some of the best pitching in the AL. Get out of here if you think giving up 4 runs means a truly good offensive team doesn't have a great chance to win every such game. The "it's the pitching" are complete idiots.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    It's too soon for definitive judgements. There is more than one way to win in the AL and Tampa has proven that. All I know is the Sox have won it all only when the pitching rose to the occasion. I have rooted for many a Sox team with great offense but not enough pitching that came up short.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    2004 and 2007 included Manny and additonal players who make this offense look as pitiful as it is.

    Tampa hasn't found a way, and isn't going to find a way in the AL unless it develops more offensive slugging talent than Longoria a band of castoffs and few punch and judies.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    This op rings true
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    So, what I hear the Op saying is that it's ok if we give up 6 runs, as long as we score 7?
    Remember how many years of Texas' high powered offense but did not have the pitching to win? Now they do!
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    No the offense is fine. You aren't going to win too many games if you have a bullpen like the Sox. They would have tied game Morales does vomit last night. If you blame the offense for Monday you should probably stop watching baseball.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    hankwilliamsjr just might be our king of silliness.

    Yes, the hitting is inconsistent, but guess what?  All hitting is inconsistent.  There are absolutely zero teams around who never get shut out or who always score exactly the number of runs needed to win and no more or who never have big games and score excessive numbers of runs. 

    Last year the Sox hitting was the best in baseball and almost got the the Sox, whose pitching for the season was 9th best in the AL, into the playoffs.  At the end of August the Sox were in great shape to not only make the playoffs, but to win the AL East.  But then the pitching collapsed in September when the Sox ERA was the worst in all of MLB and the relievers blew 6 of 9 saves.  The Sox hitting in September was down, but was till 4th best in MLB in scoring and OPS.  It was the pitching and not the hitting that killed the Sox last year.

    As for this year, the Sox hitting has indeed been up and down, which is unavoidable, but consider the following.  About a week ago the Rays came to town with what was reported to be one of the best pitching staffs in the AL--very deep and very good.  But the Sox took 3 out of 4 from them primarily because of solid hitting.  And they did this despite the absence of Crawford and Ellsbury, the early slump of mainstay Youkilis, etc. 

    Right now the Sox have the worst ERA in MLB, and that is why they are losing.  And the Rangers, who just took two at Fenway after the Rays lost 3 of 4, have the lowest ERA in the AL, which is over half a run per game lower than the second best ERA.  Great pitching wins games, especially when you also have good hitting.

    And the two years, 2004 and 2007, when the Sox won it all?  In 2004 the Sox ERA was 3d best in the AL, and in 2007 it was the best in the AL.  Both years the hitting was also very good.  You need both unless, of course, you get hot at the end of the season. 

    In 2009 and 2010 the Sox ERA was 7th best and 9th best in the AL, and the Sox didn't get to the playoffs.  In 2008 it was 4th best in the AL and the Sox lost in 7 games to the Rays in the ALCS. 





     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    Hank doesn't really believe anything he posts. He just comes here for what I'll call "lawyer batting practice". He'll take a stand to advocate for something and pursue it stubbornly no matter how strong or weak his argument may be. His earlier Softlaw persona argued that pitching was the most important thing. Now it's the superstar RH slugging OF.

    Lawyers don't pursue the truth, they advocate for something whether or not they really believe it is true. Lawyers don't discuss or even debate. They simply advocate. Might be nice if the humble human being behind the mask would show up to actually discuss Red Sox baseball.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    The Sox have scored 59 runs, 2nd to NY with 62.
    The problem is we've given up 74! 4, 3, or even 2 runs should be enough to win games if the pitching is effective. Obviously, it's not.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    In Response to Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender:
    [QUOTE]Hank doesn't really believe anything he posts. He just comes here for what I'll call "lawyer batting practice". He'll take a stand to advocate for something and pursue it stubbornly no matter how strong or weak his argument may be. His earlier Softlaw persona argued that pitching was the most important thing. Now it's the superstar RH slugging OF. Lawyers don't pursue the truth, they advocate for something whether or not they really believe it is true. Lawyers don't discuss or even debate. They simply advocate. Might be nice if the humble human being behind the mask would show up to actually discuss Red Sox baseball.
    Posted by devildavid[/QUOTE]

    Well said. Jonathon Swift wrote that "lawyers are a breed of men taught from an early age to say that black is white or white is black depending on how they are paid." Of course lawyers also wrote the US Constitution.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    You have scored bunches in several games. They do not space out the run s over games. The offense is flawed three weak hitting outfielders: Dmac, Ross, Spears. This is a team that is being carried by Ortiz, Pedroia, Gonzalez, and Aviles. its a bad team. Management went cheap in the offseason and it shows this year. response to "Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender": [QUOTE]The Sox have scored 59 runs, 2nd to NY with 62. The problem is we've given up 74! 4, 3, or even 2 runs should be enough to win games if the pitching is effective. Obviously, it's not. Posted by harv53[/QUOTE]
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    In response to "Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender": [QUOTE]You have scored bunches in several games. They do not space out the run s over games. The offense is flawed three weak hitting outfielders: Dmac, Ross, Spears. This is a team that is being carried by Ortiz, Pedroia, Gonzalez, and Aviles. its a bad team. Management went cheap in the offseason and it shows this year. response to "Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender": Posted by AL34[/QUOTE] You act like the Sox plan was to have those 3 as the starting OF the whole season. On top that there best player got hurt on a freak play how do you plan for that.
     
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    Re: The Fatal Flaw for Years! Red Sox need Near Perfect Pitching to be a Contender

    That one game where the opposition scored 18 runs must have had a huge influence on those ERA and Runs Allowed rankings. Sort of like the effect that it would have on a football team's defense stats  after Nebraska just beat you 82-0. Wouldn't it be wise to toss out the 18 run game and then revisit the statistics? Using a median instead of an average here might be another alternative. Of course, Babe would use any set of statistics that would fit his agenda.
     

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