The honest view on Tim Wakefield...

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    The honest view on Tim Wakefield...

    I can't believe some of the reactions to Tim Wakefield last night.  You guys act like he's an ace or #2 starter that failed to show up in a big situation.  He's the #6 starter on this team.  We've known for years now that he either has it or he doesn't.  Last night he didn't have it.  If you guys want to bash someone, bash Francona for not seeing that much earlier. 
     
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    Honestly?  His versatility is premium, he can get his azz handed to him as a starter or his rear kicked in relief.  Now that's versatile.
     
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    here's an actual view of Tim, rather than the post-2004 nervy clownact, the sky is falling view: Yo-Yo....it's a toy, and it's also a way of taking an individual not equipped (due to age and resiliency) and trying to make it something it's not....
    FACTS
    1. Do you idiots know how many relief appearances Wakefield made in the REGULAR SEASON between 2003-2009??? Any of you? I bet most would say he has always been a multi-guy....NOPE....NONE...NO RELIEF APPEARANCES, ONLY STARTS from 2003 to 2009....Think about that when the guy sits in the pen for 3 weeks, then is told start, then is throwing a gem, 5-1/3 inn and gets yanked prematurely...only to what? to pitch an inning 2 days later...then what?
    2. He doesn't know when he's going to pitch like 17-mil Lackey, or the other starting 5. He doesn't know when he is going to relieve. He found out the day before that he would start in place of Dice-K...You think that it's a snap to be prepared for a start with no notice?
    3. Francona has completely abused how he is used. He won't give him a defined role, and no one can pitch in that environment in today's statistic-based MLB. Even the relievers know their time in games--Bard 7th or 8th, Papelbon closing or tie game in 10th, Wheeler, others...probably coming in for a bad starter or 5th,6th range, 7th range....Wakefield? He got used in mopup, but he is thrown into a 2-1 game with runners on in the 9th v. Angeles AFTER HIS START...say what?????
    4. Wakefield is a 5th starting pitcher type, who needs consistency just like the other starters. He is not an everyman's pitcher anymore. He might have been that way when he actually saved 13 games as Jimy's errand boy, but that was a decade ago.
    .....The way he gets bashed here is shameful...baseballgm is the biggest clown of them all when it comes to his bashing, like it's a mission for him. Maybe he was hired as part of the spin machine known as PR Sox...the one where Tito/Theo seem to hold on to veterans and when THEY DECIDE they aren't useful anymore, they just keep them as ornaments on the roster...Varitek, Lowell, Wake are a few examples of this.

    Well, you can call Tim retired, overthehill, I just think he needs to be managed correctly and given a role, rather than just YO-YOed by management.
     
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    This is what we are reduced too? These are aour expectations? Are our expectations THIS low? Yes, yes and yes!
     
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    imo


     
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    Casey is in full agreement.
    TOAST
     
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    Other than the HR to Plouffe, he really didn't pitch all that bad, a couple of seeing eye singles and some plays that should have been made would have made this a much closer game.
    He was also squeezed by Hernandez (who has no business being a MLB umpire)and the balk call was suspect at best.
    Perhaps if we lost 3-2 instead of 9-2, it would have been better?
    The fact of the matter is the RS are playing like a bunch of rookies right now and putting this on Wake is a cop-out to the real problem with this team who is Wrongway Peachfuzz!

     
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    with all the less than stellar performances thus far,when did Wake become such a lightning rod?...
     
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    I do agree with SPC here. Wakefield's pitching line for his two starts is something like 10 IP, 6 ER - from your #6 starter, I think you take that gladly. "Release Wakefield!" is obviously an easy rallying cry for those who need a scapegoat, but this team's problems have been way beyond him.
     
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    The operative word is "scapegoat".

    And while I don't agree with Ike much, his take on the game was accurate. Only 3 of those runs against him were legit. He had to resort to a low strike as he wasn't getting the high calls, despite K-Zone showing otherwise.

    Once Lowrie/AGONE made those gaffs, the rest of the game followed suit. Wake made some look foolish, others made his dancer look like it was suspended in
    mid-air.

    He wasn't stretched out for the starting role going back to ST. And DC is right when he says others couldn't cut it in a role which dictates extended periods of inactivity and over-use extremes - never seeing the consistency others enjoy.

    Anybody who thinks that doesn't  affect a pitcher's effectiveness knows nothing about pitching and the need to sustain repetitive mechanics.
     
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    Anybody who thinks that doesn't  affect a pitcher's effectiveness knows nothing about pitching and the need to sustain repetitive mechanics

    I can imagine if Tito jerked Lester, Beckett , Buch or others around and they had a bad game.

    Who would they blame then?
     
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    Wakefield is what he is at this point.  The guy turns 45 in August.  He is a mop up reliever and occasional starter.  Beyond that it is foolish to expect consistent, solid performances from a guy who has absolutely no idea as to how he will be used from one day to the next!  Any decent outings from him at this point is simply a bonus.
     
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    So now we are okay with a team having 6 starters and giving up 5 or 6 runs per start?  What in the hell is wrong with you people?  Hey about 7 starters and he can be allowed (or she the way you turkeys are willing to water down the game) to surrender 7 runs per start.

    Are your definitions of a starter that a #1 can give up one run, a #4 can give up 4 etc.,?

    Unbelievable bologna from a number of you.
     

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