The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

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    The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    1) he is 35 yrds old, the best years of his career are behind him and its only down hill from here.

    2) he wants too many years and too much money. it makes no sense to give a 35 yr old dh more than a 1 yr deal let alone a 3 yr deal or more. 12.5 million per year for ortiz is literally twice as much as the going rate for a dh his age. look at vlad guerrero. after having a great year with texas he signed with baltimore for 1 yr 6 mill. ortiz is on pace to have a similar year to vlads but expects to make twice as much?

    3) he has gotten off to horrible starts the past 2 years and has taken months before he started hitting. yes this year he got off to a fast start but was that an anomaly or has he actually figured out what he caused him to start slow? 

    4) the numbers. yes his average has been pretty good this year but look at the past 3 years. His batting averages have been .270, .238, and .264. For a guy who's position is designated hitter, he should have hit alot better. 

    5) this year, one needs to look beyond the surface to see jus thow good of a season ortiz is having. look at his home/road splits. He has a .327 batting and a .418 obp at home and a .268 batting average and . .353 obp on the road. further more, he is hitting  just .269 with risp and .207 with risp w/2 outs. 

    If ortiz wants anything more than a 1 yr deal he should be let go. with the perfect replacement for ortiz likely to hit the free agent market in prince fielder, the sox would be wise to let papi go. fielder would fill 2 needs for the sox, he would be the dh of the future and would give the sox a true number 4 hitter and better line up protection for gonzalez. Youk is hitting under .270 this year and is not a number 4 hitter and never has been. the 4 spot is where you put your best power hitter and youk is far from that. when it comes down to it, it just makes no sense for the sox to resign david ortiz when they could sign a guy who is better in every single way and is entering into his prime. 

     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    No chance on Fielder.

    Ortiz should be signed to a one year contract at the market rate which will be set by the Yankees.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    why would the market rate be set by the yankees? they would have no interest in signing ortiz. they are already the oldest team in the majors, why would they sign a 35 yr old dh when they have guys like posada, eventually a-rod, and eventually jeter all needing that spot? makes no sense for them to sign him. 
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    Yankees will have interest in signing Ortiz, who has haunted them. Crawford and Lowrie as DH is embarrassing.

     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    Yankees will have zero interest in Papi unless he is at less than a Million a year and that is not happening. You are way off Softy on this prediction.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    "less than a million" shows you dont know what you are talking about.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    NY will jump on Papi, and not just to keep him out of Boston. Papi hammers NY with each passing series. That short porch in left was made for him.

    His home/away splits this year aren't unusual for Fenway.
    I wouldn't put much credence on his slow starts in the past. He's figured out why.
    If the FO can get him for two years, he's worth the risk.

    The guy is a great hitter - and a household name.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    In Response to Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.:
    [QUOTE]Yankees will have zero interest in Papi unless he is at less than a Million a year and that is not happening. You are way off Softy on this prediction.
    Posted by jesseyeric[/QUOTE]

    You are 100% wrong here.  The Yankees would absolutely sign Ortiz.  They love signing ex-Red Sox players and they definitely need a DH.  Montero A.  Doesn't appear to be ready to take on that role and B. Doesn't seem to be all he was hyped up to be. 

    If the Red Sox don't re-sign him, the Yankees will.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    At the end of the day, I believe Theo caves in and gives him a 2 year deal.  I don't think he wants to go 2 years but I think it will be worth it if it means keeping him away from the Yankees.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why. : You are 100% wrong here.  The Yankees would absolutely sign Ortiz.  They love signing ex-Red Sox players and they definitely need a DH.  Montero A.  Doesn't appear to be ready to take on that role and B. Doesn't seem to be all he was hyped up to be.  If the Red Sox don't re-sign him, the Yankees will.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    The Yankees wouldn't go near Ortiz, I hope the Sox resign him.  It will only hurt the Sox.
     
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    [QUOTE]why would the market rate be set by the yankees? they would have no interest in signing ortiz. they are already the oldest team in the majors, why would they sign a 35 yr old dh when they have guys like posada, eventually a-rod, and eventually jeter all needing that spot? makes no sense for them to sign him. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]
      Phils are the oldest team in the majors, followed by the Sox, barely over the Yanks.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    2 years   $15 million   - 2nd year team option..
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    It has nothing to do with the average age of the team, Varitek and Wakefield are not normally starters.  It is the age of your starters that matters. 

    Ortiz is great for the team.  He has hit some bombs this year, he has plenty left to DH a few more years and be above average in production.  He is also a spokesman for the team.  No way he goes anywhere.

    If anything the Yanks would go after Fielder for DH, not Papi.   But ARod and Jeter probably need rest and keeping thatposition flexible might be the smarter move.  
     
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    [QUOTE]It has nothing to do with the average age of the team, Varitek and Wakefield are not normally starters.  It is the age of your starters that matters.  Ortiz is great for the team.  He has hit some bombs this year, he has plenty left to DH a few more years and be above average in production.  He is also a spokesman for the team.  No way he goes anywhere. If anything the Yanks would go after Fielder for DH, not Papi.   But ARod and Jeter probably need rest and keeping thatposition flexible might be the smarter move.  
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]
    That would be AWESOME, I would take Fielder all day long as the DH over Papi no matter what the cost is.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    You are 100% wrong here.  The Yankees would absolutely sign Ortiz.  They love signing ex-Red Sox players and they definitely need a DH.  Montero A.  Doesn't appear to be ready to take on that role and B. Doesn't seem to be all he was hyped up to be. 

    If the Red Sox don't re-sign him, the Yankees will. (SPC - 88)

    What is the wager Nostradamus? There is a better chance of one of your predictions coming right than Papi being pursued by NY. The only reason the Yanks may knock on the door is to get Boston to jack up the $ that they will ultimately pay him.

    Stick with your Boston predictions because your knowledge of the Yanks is way off base.
     
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    [QUOTE]You are 100% wrong here.  The Yankees would absolutely sign Ortiz.  They love signing ex-Red Sox players and they definitely need a DH.  Montero A.  Doesn't appear to be ready to take on that role and B. Doesn't seem to be all he was hyped up to be.  If the Red Sox don't re-sign him, the Yankees will. (SPC - 88) What is the wager Nostradamus? There is a better chance of one of your predictions coming right than Papi being pursued by NY. The only reason the Yanks may knock on the door is to get Boston to jack up the $ that they will ultimately pay him. Stick with your Boston predictions because your knowledge of the Yanks is way off base.
    Posted by jesseyeric[/QUOTE]
    Even his "knowldege" of the Sox is off base.  This is not a great baseball mind we're talking about here.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    The Yankees already have at least 2 DH's in the making--Jeter and ARod.  And they have plenty of lefty bats.

    I think the Sox re-sign Ortiz for two years even though one year is preferable.  Call the extra year payment for some of the truly great years he has had. 

     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL THE GREAT THINKERS OUT THERE
    WHY...WOULD FIELDER BE A DH ?? HE DOESN'T WANT TO SIT
    ON HIS CAN, HE WANTS TO PLAY. HE IS MUCH TOO YOUNG TO BE
    DH'ing. WE ALREADY HAVE A FIRST BASEMAN. A GON IS NOT
    FEASIBLE TO BE PLACED IN ANY OTHER POSITION. HE IS TOO
    SLOW FOR THE OUTFIELD AND NOT MOBILE ENOUGH FOR ANY
    OTHER POSITION THAN IB. MAYBE THIRD, IF WE RELEASE
    YOUK, BUT THAT'S SILLY TALK. THE RED SOX BETTER START
    THINKING AB0UT GOING THE WAY OF THE TAMPA BAY RAYS
    AND STARTING SOME PROSPECTS AND LETTING THEM PLAY.
    THIS KID , JENNINGS, IS A REAL SOLID PROSPECT. HE IS GONNA
    BE WAY BETTER THAN THAT STIFF, CRAWFORD WHO WE WASTED
    120+ MILLION ON. HE TRULY IS " THEO'S FOLLY" EPSTEIN
    SHOULD BE FIRED FOR SIGNING AGON AND CRAWFORD. AS
    MUCH AS I LIKE AGON, HE HAS NO HOME RUN POWER, AND
    HAS REVERTED TO GOOSING UP HIS AVERAGE WITH SINGLES
    AND DOUBLES. TEXEIRA MAY NOT HAVE THE HOLLYWOOD
    AVERAGE, BUT HE CAN SWITCH HIT AND WILL HIT 40 DINGERS
    THIS YEAR. THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID FOR AGON. THESE
    WERE TWO BAD SIGNINGS. A GON IS ALREADY SLOWING
    DOWN IN AUGUST. HE DOESN'T RUN OUT BALLS, AND IS A
    BIT OF A DOG WHEN THINGS DON'T GO HIS WAY AT THE
    PLATE. GOD BLESS HIM AND HIS /350 AVERAGE, BUT IT
    WILL STILL NOT HELP BOSTON WIN THE DIVISION. THE
    YANKS JUST HAVE TOO MUCH BALANCE AND POWER. AS A
    SOX FAN, I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED SEEING GUYS
    LIKE TEK, WAKE, SCUTARO, CRAWFORD ON THIS SQUAD.
    WAKEFIELD SHOULD NOT BE PITCHING ANY MORE... BOTTOM
    LINE !!! BRING UP DOUBRONT...HE CAN'T BE WORSE THAN
    WAKE. AT THIS POINT, ONLY PEDEY AND JACOBY ARE
    CARRYING THIS TEAM OFFENSIVELY. THE REST OF THE GUYS
    STINK. THAT INCLUDES SALTY, CC, ORTIZ [ WHO WILL MISS
    ALL OF AUGUST] YOUKILIS [ MR. BASE ON BALLS ], AND
    LOWRIE. EVEN REDDICK IS TAILING OFF. THIS TEAM IS IN
    SERIOUS TROUBLE WITH 8 GAMES ON THE ROAD AGAINST
    TEAMS THEY HAVE TROUBLE WITH.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    Ortiz has reached the age where his skills could decline rapidly, especially his bat speed.
    Offer him 1 year for $10M with a team option for a 2nd year.    He won't do better elsewhere in the AL.
    Teams will no longer pay big money for a DH that doesn't play a position also.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

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    [QUOTE]why would the market rate be set by the yankees? they would have no interest in signing ortiz. they are already the oldest team in the majors, why would they sign a 35 yr old dh when they have guys like posada, eventually a-rod, and eventually jeter all needing that spot? makes no sense for them to sign him. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]


    i agree about the yankees not signing ortiz.
    the SOX don't need to sign ortiz, because starting next year the albatross, jd crawford, will be the DH. this is a good thing because it will get him out of the
    outfield and open the door for a good right-handed hitting and good fielding left fielder.
    so say good-bye to 'big papi' and thanks for the good memories, and say hello to jd crawford, and HOPE he can provide good memories. whether he does or not doesn't matter because the SOX are stuck with him for 6+ years.
    thank you, theo.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    The Yankees have been trying for years to be in a situation where they can have a rotating DH, so they can use the spot to rest position players. Posada has thrown a wrench in that plan this year, but he will not be there next year. So there is no way they would give Ortiz a couple of years, when they have Montero ready to come up and fill the spot, catch a little and use other guys at DH for semi days off.
    I think if David wasnt a Sox fixture, they would try to do the same thing, though Fielder wouldnt be the answer, since he is a 1b only. The perfect guy was Beltran or another 3b, which would allows you to rotate Youk, Gonzo and the
    3B. Beltran gone, but Aramis Ramirez would be a good fit for a 3 year deal if they dont sign Papi. Great fielder....Fenway type stroke....wouldnt cost a fortune...Sox have interest in him before....33 next year. Hopefully the rest will keep Youk from getting hurt  so much.
     
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    [QUOTE]1) he is 35 yrds old, the best years of his career are behind him and its only down hill from here. 2) he wants too many years and too much money. it makes no sense to give a 35 yr old dh more than a 1 yr deal let alone a 3 yr deal or more. 12.5 million per year for ortiz is literally twice as much as the going rate for a dh his age. look at vlad guerrero. after having a great year with texas he signed with baltimore for 1 yr 6 mill. ortiz is on pace to have a similar year to vlads but expects to make twice as much? 3) he has gotten off to horrible starts the past 2 years and has taken months before he started hitting. yes this year he got off to a fast start but was that an anomaly or has he actually figured out what he caused him to start slow?  4) the numbers. yes his average has been pretty good this year but look at the past 3 years. His batting averages have been .270, .238, and .264. For a guy who's position is designated hitter, he should have hit alot better.  5) this year, one needs to look beyond the surface to see jus thow good of a season ortiz is having. look at his home/road splits. He has a .327 batting and a .418 obp at home and a .268 batting average and . .353 obp on the road. further more, he is hitting  just .269 with risp and .207 with risp w/2 outs.  If ortiz wants anything more than a 1 yr deal he should be let go. with the perfect replacement for ortiz likely to hit the free agent market in prince fielder, the sox would be wise to let papi go. fielder would fill 2 needs for the sox, he would be the dh of the future and would give the sox a true number 4 hitter and better line up protection for gonzalez. Youk is hitting under .270 this year and is not a number 4 hitter and never has been. the 4 spot is where you put your best power hitter and youk is far from that. when it comes down to it, it just makes no sense for the sox to resign david ortiz when they could sign a guy who is better in every single way and is entering into his prime. 
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE] I have no idea where 3 years is coming from as a demand on Ortiz part, never heard that attributed to him.

    While Ortiz may be making  twice what Vlad is, look at their 2011 stats. You can't compare Ortiz frankly to Matsui and Vlad, even though they are the most comparable, Ortiz has had superior numbers this year and last year.

    No I no more than anybody else has any idea where the negotiations will go. I think Ortiz probably is a little high in his thoughts of what his next deal should be and the RS don't want to try and work out a deal mid-season for just that reason.

    But everybody can cross Prince Fielder off of their shopping list. Way too much money for a DH per year and total years. And signing a guy who has never been a DH to be a DH is a risky endeavor. Adam Dunn is a very cautionary tale but not all that rare. Not everybody can adapt to role of only hitting in games.

    When a player has been with you as long as David Ortiz has been with the RS, is having the year he is having and accomplished as much as he has in his career I don't think the team determines whether they will or won't retain him in the middle of August. They work the process.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    I just don't see the Yankees signing Ortiz. The only way that they might have an interest is if they say goodbye to Posada. Even then they would need the DH slot to give Jeter or Arod a day off. They already have alot of older players whose best years are behind them.
     
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    Re: The red sox should NOT re-sign david ortiz and here is why.

    my point about vlad was to use him as a comparable. During vlad's age 35 season he posted all-star numbers similar if not better than ortiz this year. This year vlad has totally tanked and declined hard. ortiz is in the same situation and could end up following in vlads footsteps. and there is no way the yankees would sign ortiz. they need to have the dh spot open so they can rotate guys in and out. and i am sure they would give montero a shot before spending money on a guy like ortiz. as for fielder, yes it would be a lot of money to give to a dh but considering we have been paying 12.5 plus for ortiz, i think spending another 7 mill per year or so would be a good idea given that the sox lack a bat of fielders magnitude. we need a power bat to hit in the 4 spot. youk is not a number 4 and never has been or will be. Dh is a premium power position so why not one of the best power hitters in the game to fill it? with the money coming off the books from ortiz, drew, wake, cameron, wheeler, maybe scutaro, we can afford fielder. 
     

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