This Disaster is Managements Fault

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    This Disaster is Managements Fault

    They kept the same cancers in the clubhouse to start this season that ended last season. Then they let the best closer they have seen in a very long time go to Philly. So where we're the improvements to the club none. The cry babies that run the team are still on the team. So the only hope they had to replace pap as a closer don't wanna close. He wants to be a starter so we can't as management tell bard he's a closer because that would be very wrong he might not be as happy being a closer. We wouldn't wanna make a player unhappy on the team by telling him what he's going to do instead let's give him the tell us what he wants to do authority. There's no leadership on this team from the front office. The players do as they please and lets not unsetbabies off by telling them there employed by the red sox organization and this is what there going to do it isn't there choice. Theres no bullpen but they trade for a guy batting below 100 in Byrd. Don't worry though maybe management can ask the leaders like Beckett, Lester, youk, and buch what they think the team needs. Maybe they can bargain with them he guys if we do this or do that will you guys start trying to win.
     
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    yup it dont matter the seats are filled
     
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       B I N G O  !!!!!
     
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    In response to "Re: This Disaster is Managements Fault": [QUOTE]    B I N G O  !!!!! Posted by Bill-806[/QUOTE]
     
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    In response to "Re: This Disaster is Managements Fault": [QUOTE]In response to "Re: This Disaster is Managements Fault": Posted by Roaddogg1959[/QUOTE] Sorry guys iPad has the tendency to misspell and leave words out I should of proof read. But what I'm saying is players control things
     
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    Sorry but this is about the lack of pitching talent, just as it was in September of 2011.

    The bullpen could not hold a 9 run lead.

    Now may be it is more comforting for some to blame the fact that best closer in the hitory of the franchise left and was replaced by a guy on the DL, that Papelbon's set up man is now in the starting rotation and was replaced by a guy just sent down to AAA. The bullpen is a mess.

    Add to this that two thirds of the starting OF is on the DL and that none of the starters has carried the team yet (Doubront has been the best starter so far) and you have a recipe for the kind of start this team has had.

    The flaws went beyond the more tabloid stuff last year and it does right now.


     
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    even the most rabid Tito fan isnt really saying he could make a difference with this crew....we all knew it was a lesser team that wasnt deconstructed when it should have been in the off-season...but they are our team, good or bad <sigh>....ben looks like a one year blunder...his trades/signings have been terrible...as has evaluation of current veteran talent (why not trade beckett/youk to save money and get youth - considering they were both the biggest clubhouse whiners/cancers???) Why the decision to not play/roster our young players when we sorely needed their energy???

    These were easy decisions imho and he froze like a baby quail...
     
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    Come on Geo, you know better than that....Why not trade Beckett??

    Hellooooooooooo - I've been saying since the day that Theo gave him that insane 4 year/68 million dollar extension 6 months before he had too:

    Josh Beckett is untradeable.  There is not a single team in baseball that would take on that contract.  The only way to dump Beckett would be if they paid 90% of his salary and were willing to take a low level minor league propsect in exchange.

    Theo destroyed this team with Beckett and Crawford and giving Gonzalez that huge contract while allowing Beltre to walk.
     
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    andre...i really believe you would have been able to move him for a team willing to take a chance on his contract the last three years...it was not undoable....now CC's contract will never be moved....look for some sort of beckett trade at the deadline if we still stink....some contending team needing pitching will take a chance on him....its not like hes crippled....
     
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    [QUOTE]good points...the same whiners are in that clubhouse and on the field....hey pink hat idiots, if you're gonna boo somebody, boo them.
    Posted by bellhorn_[/QUOTE]

    Fault.

    I am going to go with ownership, management, the players and Bobby V.

    The grounds crew blows too.

     
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    Beckett is not worth a 2 1/2 year deal at 42.5 million

    The asbolute most he'd get on the open market would be a 2 year/20 million dollar deal but it's much more likely he'd have to settle for a 1 year/6 million dollar deal.

    His velocity is down, he's injury prone, he hasn't finish a season strong since 2007, and he's considered to be a clubhouse distraction

    Total waste of money.

    I remember Theo's first or second reason for the extension:  "He is the leader of that pitching staff and will be mentor to Buck and Lester" - yeah, right.  Look at how great that turned out.

    Lots of untradeable guys.  Drew was never tradeable.  Beckett.  Jenks.  Lackey.  Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez.....way to stay flexible.....
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett is not worth a 2 1/2 year deal at 42.5 million The asbolute most he'd get on the open market would be a 2 year/20 million dollar deal but it's much more likely he'd have to settle for a 1 year/6 million dollar deal. His velocity is down, he's injury prone, he hasn't finish a season strong since 2007, and he's considered to be a clubhouse distraction Total waste of money. I remember Theo's first or second reason for the extension:  "He is the leader of that pitching staff and will be mentor to Buck and Lester" - yeah, right.  Look at how great that turned out. Lots of untradeable guys.  Drew was never tradeable.  Beckett.  Jenks.  Lackey.  Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez.....way to stay flexible.....
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    why would anyone want to trade adrian gonzalez he is one of the best hitters in baseball and is still under 30 anyone in baseball would want him
     
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    7 years/154 million for a guy who looks like he'll be lucky to average 20 HR's a year at 1B.  I'm not saying he's a bust by any stretch of the imagination.  But that's a very risky contract. 

    For the Sox, it was a bad idea b/c Youk is not a 3B'man.

    Now, list all of the teams who would take Adrian Gonzalez's contract right now. 

    I can think of a couple of teams who MIGHT take Gonzalez but none of them at quite that price and committment........
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett is not worth a 2 1/2 year deal at 42.5 million The asbolute most he'd get on the open market would be a 2 year/20 million dollar deal but it's much more likely he'd have to settle for a 1 year/6 million dollar deal. His velocity is down, he's injury prone, he hasn't finish a season strong since 2007, and he's considered to be a clubhouse distraction Total waste of money. I remember Theo's first or second reason for the extension:  "He is the leader of that pitching staff and will be mentor to Buck and Lester" - yeah, right.  Look at how great that turned out. Lots of untradeable guys.  Drew was never tradeable.  Beckett.  Jenks.  Lackey.  Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez.....way to stay flexible.....
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]You are dreaming on Beckett's contract value. Go look at his 2011 stat line (not just his last 3 starts on a bad ankle).

    Now if you'd like to argue that a guy like Beckett should only be worth your valuations, that's great but they just aren't in line with the marketplace.

     


     
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    Bad Ankle Bad Ankle Bad Ankle....it's always something with Beckett.  Go see how many times in the past 5 years that he pitched well beyond August 1st...He has been breaking down at the end of nearly every season and he completely falls apart.  The only teams who would trade for Beckett mid season would be trying to win it all in Sept and Oct.  Beckett ain't that guy.  And he certainly ain't that guy w/ that huge contract.  Maybe if you wanted a leader on your staff but Beckett is the worst influence this team has had since the days of Manny Rameriz......
     
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    Please you have to give Gonzalez some leeway - he has a hurt shoulder!  Just kidding!

    Theo knew he was hurt but he didn't care.  Theo puts blinders on for guys he has man crushes on. 

    I can't help but compare Gonzalez to Boggs.  Boggs was an on base machine and could play a decent 3B (not 1B) and granted Gonzalez does have more pop, no way would Boggs be worth over 150 millon dollars today........
     
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    [QUOTE]7 years/154 million for a guy who looks like he'll be lucky to average 20 HR's a year at 1B.  I'm not saying he's a bust by any stretch of the imagination.  But that's a very risky contract.  For the Sox, it was a bad idea b/c Youk is not a 3B'man. Now, list all of the teams who would take Adrian Gonzalez's contract right now.  I can think of a couple of teams who MIGHT take Gonzalez but none of them at quite that price and committment........
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    gonzalez hit at least 30 HR per year playing in petco and you think hell be lucky to average 20 a year at fenway. compared to many big contract first basemen gonzalez is a bargain at 7/154 he gets less than prince fielder 9/214, teixera 8/180, pujols 10/254, and joey votto 10/225, all of which he is either an equal or better hitter than, not to mention gonzalez has 3 gold gloves.
     
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    10 Homers in the 2nd half last year - that's where....

    You could say he's a better value than those other contracts.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  But who other than the Sox would have given him that $?  All the other teams who could afford that kind of money already had high priced 1B........So looking at "comps" is not a valid arguement in this case.
     
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    Gold Gloves?  Really?  You realize that Derek Jeter and Carl Crawford also have gold gloves, right?  Not to mention, former DH Rafael Palmero.....
     
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    [QUOTE]10 Homers in the 2nd half last year - that's where.... You could say he's a better value than those other contracts.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  But who other than the Sox would have given him that $?  All the other teams who could afford that kind of money already had high priced 1B........So looking at "comps" is not a valid arguement in this case.
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    If Gonzalez hit free agency last year he would have eclisped whatever prince fielder would have got because he is a better all around hitter and a gold glover at first while fielder is a one trick pony (he hits the long ball) gonzalez is a great fielder, on base guy, contact hitter and power hitter, on the open market he wouldve commanded at least teixera money, and the same teams interested in pujols and fielder would've gone after gonzalez
     

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