Re: This is Why Iggy Was Traded
posted at 8/26/2013 11:38 AM EDT
In response to ThefourBs' comment:
I wish I could stay away from this topic, but I can't. :-( Since I'm allegedly one of the "rabid Iggy fans" I'm going to take it upon myself to respond - from my POV.
This isn't completely about Iggy. It's about the future. It's about having money to spend on FA's and where it'd going to come from. It's also about putting a good team on the field in 2014 and beyond.
I've been a proponent all along of an IF of XBo, Iggy, Pedey and Middy. The only question marks I see in that are XBo's defense and Iggy's offense. Pedey is what he is, and I've always believed that if a person can play 3B he can play 1B even better. And Middy is a decent 3B who is now showing good hitting ability.
XBo's ML skills have yet to be determined (although I have to admit that the past couple of days have begun to put to rest my concerns about his offensive skills). Iggy's offense is what it is today and I think it'll get better with experience, and even if it doesn't I'm willing to live with ~.230 and Iggy's defense at SS. Especialy with the offense of XBo, Pedey & MIddy in the IF and Ells in the OF.
That's a pretty cheap IF which leaves money for other positions. Like.... CF. NOBODY is saying that JBJ is going to be replacing Ellsbury on both sides of the ball. That's why I want to sign Ells. Ells very simply is a better all-around player than JBJ. I see JBJ as either the heir-apparent to RF or as trade bait for a GOOD position player or a pitcher.
This trade has completely s-d the pooch on that. We now have to either sign a FA SS (think $$) or give the position to someone untried and hope it works out. Middy can remain at 3B, but what do we do about 1B? Another FA? Maybe Carp. Will Carp be > Middy @ 1B? I personally doubt that. But whatever happens at 1B it'll be more expensive than Middy, leaving less money to sign Ells.
I was looking at a young, talented, cost controlled team in 2014 & beyond. The kind of team the Yankees built back when Jeter, Bernie Williams and Posada were young. One that would carry the franchise into the future, but now I don't see that. I see the Iggy trade as costing the Sox both Iggy and Ellsbury and allowing them MUCH less payroll flexibility than they would have otherwise had.
It's not entirely about getting to watch Iggy play - although that's a part of it. It's also not about Peavy and how good he has to get. It's about the future. Which is why I was - and am - opposed to that trade.
I don't believe that Xander is going to be so bad at SS that they'll need to go out and sign a FA again.
I don't either. I also don't think he's going to be Iggy in the field and I DO think he's going to be better than Iggy at the plate. That's why I like him for 3B. The problem with your counter is that by the time we figure out that XBo may not be what we need at SS it's going to be June and we're either stuck with him or we sign "One of the girls who looks better at closing time", as Julian Tavarez said.
I also don't think it's out of the question that Napoli is not going to get an offer to come back next year.
He's a streaky hitter, for sure. But, he can also carry a team, if he get's hot.
An offer? It wouldn't surprise me, based on further medical examination. But he's going to cost more money than Middy and at this point in his career he IS a risk.
You could conceivably have Cecchini at 3b, Xander at SS, Pedey and Middlebrooks on the right side, for your affordable infield, in 2015.
Or we could have had "my" IF of XBo, Iggy, Pedey & Middy in 2014.
Chcchini could wash out at the ML level. One of the things I liked about the pre-trade team was that they had Plans B, C, D, and maybe even E. They just eliminated one of their backup plans, and each plan is at least one year behind the one immediately ahead of it. And don't forget that these guys are all Prospects. A week ago none of them had even a sniff of a MLB experience. Now ONE of them has.
I think another team overpaying for Ellsbury is more likely to happen than the Sox simply saying he's too expensive and walking away.
The Sox are going to compete for Ellsbury's services.
But if some other team offers him 7 or 8 yrs and 130-150 million, he's gone, no matter what the Sox are spending on their SS and 1b.
Now THIS I agree with completely. Pre-trade I believed that if Ells signed for any kind of a reasonable (in my mind) figure it would be for the Sox. BTW, that's in the neighborhood of $18MM/5 years. But if someone else offered him, say, $22MM/6 - that's too stupid to even counter.
Now, given the fact that we may need to sign FA's at SS and 1B along with Catcher there may not be enough money to sign Ells. And I can live with JBJ, but he's not going to replace Ells. And it's going to make the team weaker.
I'm of the opinion that there are reasons why the Sox spent 84 years as the bridesmaid and never the bride. One of those reasons is an unwillingness to plan for the future, instead trading away a prospect thinking they're One Player Away when actually the player they traded is one YEAR away.
I belive this is history repeating itself. I hope I'm wrong... but that's the way I see it.