Re: Tito "inherited a championship team".... Gee, No wonder they played so poorly at times...
posted at 5/3/2011 7:56 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Tito "inherited a championship team".... Gee, No wonder they played so poorly at times...
[QUOTE]In Response to Tito "inherited a championship team".... Gee, No wonder they played so poorly at times... : Do you truly believe he "led" the 2004 team to a championship??
Yes. Sorry you can't see it. Did he make all the calls the way I would? Not hardly. But he's respected in the game, unlike you say. He's respected in the club house. He handled flambouyant personalities like Manny until Manny stepped on his own personal Claymore.
Oh, BTW, I'm not fool hardy enough to think I could do better. I have neither the depth of understanding for the pro game itself nor the insight needed to masterfully handle 25-40 testosterone driven guys that are at the top of the game. He was a putrid manager in Philly and because of Schilling, he got the job here.
The talent level in Philly was second or third tier. Jim Fregosi got one good season out of them ... and 5 losing seasons. Tito had similar production with Fregosi. Larry Bowa took over and they skyrocketed ... to just above .500. BIG F R I G G I N' WHOOP!!!! Your analysis is more than suspect.
And because of Schilling's arrival, which you brush off like flies on road kill,... I think we have a World Championship and a story for the ages with the bloody sock.
So, no credit to Tito again.
The mound warrior wanted him, BUT YOU, OH, GREAT BASEBALL MIND, have pathological negativity toward him.
Let's see, which person's outlook will I depend on?
Nooooo ... NOT you. I'll take Curt's outlook. I think it has about three and a haldf thousand times more validity than your outlook.
Curt comes, Tito comes, WE WIN!!! Gee .... Any high school coach could have won with the 2004 team.
No wonder we haven't won. We've been hiring pro coaches and managers. Next time through, I'll nominate my HS coach. Your animosity is showing under your skirt .... and it is not pretty. Nor is it correct.The fact that the Sox had to overcome his managerial deficiencies to win speaks for itself.
If it speaks for itself, why the heck do you have to keep pounding away at it all the time?He never was, is not now and never will be a competent baseball manager.
He sure a heck fooled Mr. Henry et al. I wonder why these guys, especially Mr. Henry, who has made mulitple hundreds of millions of dollars by making informed decisions, can't see what you can?The Sox should have been a dynasty in the last seven plus years.
Ummm ... you DO realize there is this team in NYC. Been around for a long time. Then there is this upstart team in Tampa. And OVER THERE in the NL, there are some fairly good teams in St. Louis and Philly... and I left out all the other good AL teams.
They DID win two crowns.
And they have had the best 7 seasons in Red Sox history ...
But that obviously isn't enough.Instead fans are grateful that the Sox have been able to overcome a managerial idiot and won 2 titles.
I remember '67 well ... darned Bob Gibson. And Tito, of course, is the reason we lost.
I remember '75. Big Red Machine. And Tito, of course, is the reason we lost.
I remember '86 .... and OF COURSE Tito is the reason we lost ...
Hey, DID YOU NOTICE SOMTHING????
Let's see ...86 minus 75 = 11 seasons between shots at the crown ...
75 minus 67 = 8 seasons between shots at the crown ...
And in the 7 seasons with Tito ... only out of the playoffs twice?
And two World Crowns??????
Yep. He stinks. They should have been in 4 and maybe 5 World Series in the last 7 plus years.
Should. I agree. But I think they should win every year. NO matter who's in charge.
But that isn't honestly realistic.The way i see it, Francona has prevented the team from succeeding 5 out of 7 years that he's been the mangler.
...prevented? That involves intent. You're saying Tito purpousely went out of his way to keep his team from winning? I don't think so ... You don't give him credit for managing poorly, never mind masterminding purposeful failure. So instead of a hero that led the Sox to being called a dynasty, he's held them back from more glory!
The mentality of some fans was illustrated after yesterdays game...they said,"We won the game, didn't we?" It was another of the 15 to 20 "In Spite Of" games that will happen this year, just as they've happened every year of Francona's tenure here.
It must really be tough being you. You're really, really unhappy with 2 crowns and really, really angry that we don't have more. Wow. Ouch......
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