Re: Tito/Bobby comparison
posted at 12/1/2011 10:50 PM EST
In Response to Tito/Bobby comparison
[QUOTE]Bobby Valentine? #1 Cares about his players - Tito also #2 Knows baseball as well as anyone - Tito? not as much #3 Isn't afraid to speak his mind - Tito? only to an extent #4 Isn't afraid to discipline a player - Tito? not if it makes waves #5 Has an anger isssue - Tito? much more in control #6 may have trouble handling pressure in the big market - Tito did very well #7 Bobby will make sure players are in shape to play - Tito lost touch here #8 Bobby may overstep his ground with management - Tito not so much #9 Bobby has the sense of humor needed to keep players loose - As did Tito #10 Bobby loves to attack bad calls to a fault - Tito, knew when to back off #11 Can Bobby succeed managing a winning team as Tito did after leaving the Phils? I say yes Bobby in my opinion brings a new energy that Tito lost after 8 season. Bobby can also fix the issues on this team without losing the respect Tito built with his players. If Bobby and our FO can co-exist this could be a very good short term move. There is a lot of talent on this team, but still huge decisions to be made before we get back to the PS. So lets get going with players like Tek, Wake and David now that we have a new leader.
Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]
craze, in my opinion I think you have mis-stated your points:
1) I'm sorry any manager worth their weight in sunflower seeds cares about their players.
2) Having played and managed the game at the major league level and growing up following the game while his dad played would certainly qualify Francona as "knowing the game"
3) Seriously when did Francona not speak his mind while managing the Sox...is this in reference to the media or the players? If you are referring to his players, who says he didn't speak his mind to them behind closed doors and not in the public?
4) Once again we don't know for certain if Francona never disciplined his players in private...we do know that he usually let them police themselves which ultimately led to his downfall.
5) Francona was definitely more low key with the Boston media, it is to be determined how Valentine will handle this, but we can expect more headlines from Bobby than Tito ever provided.
6) I guess managing in NY is not a big market...something new I learned today.
7) No dispute with this one...I foresee Valentine spending more time on getting guys in shape and working fundamentals in spring training.
8) This is a TBD...Francona and Epstein had a very good working relationship upto the end when things got a iffy.
9) Not sure how to respond to this one and how it impacted the results of the team...its success and momentum that lead teams to win...and that makes them have more fun playing...not the manager telling jokes.
10) Valentine will take a position and pressure the umpires that they made a bad call...hopefully helping him on the next close call...Francona let umps off the hook more often than not...I think he was more of a realist that the umps were not going to change their call so no sense beating a deadhorse.
11) Time will tell.
I believe Valentine is walking into a situation where the players are going to be more motivated to correct the wrongs committed in September...so they will be open to more discipline and expecting it now right off the bat.
I know this is not probable, but I think I'd prefer not to spend the season comparing Valentine to Francona for every move the new guy makes...expect Valentine to make mistakes just as Francona did.