Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

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    Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

    2. Can we go ahead and call Jed Lowrie our everyday shortstop?
    -- EL


    As tempting as it is to say so amid Lowrie's incredible hot streak, the answer is no. Not yet. Lowrie will not hit .500, he remains inferior defensively compared to Marco Scutaro and his ability to play multiple positions still gives the team incredible value as a backup to others. If Terry Francona absolutely has to find a spot for Lowrie each and every day, he can by giving someone somewhere a rest. But there are so many established everyday players on this team that that is not possible. Expect Lowrie to continue to get the bulk or all of the starts at shortstop against lefties, as well as starts at third base and maybe even designated hitter. He'll be in there four or five times a week, at least.

    The one caveat in this is if the team explores a trade of Scutaro. There are a handful of teams that could use a veteran shortstop, and the Red Sox could use another arm or two, or perhaps some more catching depth  -- NESN

    Tony Lee has always been a fairly round tire. Lowrie's role from spring training was well thought out.
     
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    slomag That doesn't matter he found someone that agrees with him so he posting this to say he was right all along. I am just glad that Tone Lee doesn't have anything to do with the red sox management.
     
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    Scutaro had or has the flu. Knowing Tito I wouldn't be suprised to see him in the lineup soon with Lowrie moving over to 3rd and Youk DH ing giving Ortiz the night off.
     
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    Funny how when the media agrees with the clown, he posts it, but when they disagree, he bashes them as idiots.
     
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    Author's Note: Jed Lowrie is a lifetime .268 hitter
     
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    [QUOTE]Funny how when the media agrees with the clown, he posts it, but when they disagree, he bashes them as idiots.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    The operative word here being clown
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

    I don't care what you want to call it (starting utility IF?)  if he's starting 5 times a week, he's a starter.
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

    No, JB, the question is whether he's the everday starting SS. He may be, I'm simply relating what Lee wrote and the fact that I agree with Lowrie's UIF role.

    Remember, JB, Wakefield doesn't have to be put on waivers and the Red Sox don't have to "get around waivers". Work on your baseball ignorance levels, fantasy baseball is a fantasy for a reason.
     
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    Did you ignore what i posted in response to that?  There are 3 different types of waivers.  Prior to being released a player must go through revocable waivers.  That's how the rule is worded.  The player may instead be placed on irrevocable waivers.  In such an instance the player may be assigned to the minors, although in Wake's case he could refuse the assignment since he has more than 5 years of MLB service.
     
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    [QUOTE] Work on your baseball ignorance levels, fantasy baseball is a fantasy for a reason.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    You're just jealous that people have friends to play games with.  Why else would you come to a place on a daily basis where many people simply don't like you and your contrarian ways?  Personally I don't have a problem with you, I see you for what you really are.  A fun toy.
     
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    [QUOTE]Author's Note: Jed Lowrie is a lifetime .268 hitter
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    Reply:
    Lowrie  530 AB , 15 HR, 90 RBI, .268/.348.445
    Scutaro Lifetime: 3405 AB, 61 HR, 356 RBI, .266/.336/.384
    Projecting Scutaro's lifetime AB over the same 530 AB and you get the following:

    530 AB, 9.5 HR, 55 RBI

    WHO WOULD YOU START?
     
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    [QUOTE]Author's Note: Jed Lowrie is a lifetime .268 hitter
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    True, but why not ride the hot bat while it's still hot?  Until he cools off, let him play somewhere no?   I belive the A's starter is a lefty, perhaps Jed's hitting continues.
     
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    Tony Lee clearly does not know what he is talking about. Lowrie is now the starting shortstop and should have been from the get go. Scutaro up until 2 years ago was a lifetime utility guy. He will be fine on the bench. Its not like he is a guy who has been a starter all of his career and then all of a sudden is getting replaced. He has been a back up the majority of his career with good reason. 
     
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    Author's Note: Jed Lowrie is a lifetime .268 hitter
    Posted by BaseballGM


    No one cares how he did in 2009.  RS fans care about how he is doing in 2011.

    Highest AVG for a 2B 2010-2011 Lowrie
    Highest OBP for a 2B 2010-2011 Lowrie
    Highest SLG for a 2B 2010-2011 Lowrie
    Highest OPS for a 2B 2010-2011 Lowrie
     
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    As of now, I pick Lowrie over Scutaro. 

    And I also pick Dunkin Donuts over McDonalds.  lol
     
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    Did you ignore what i posted in response to that?  There are 3 different types of waivers.  Prior to being released a player must go through revocable waivers.  That's how the rule is worded.  The player may instead be placed on irrevocable waivers.  In such an instance the player may be assigned to the minors, although in Wake's case he could refuse the assignment since he has more than 5 years of MLB service.

    No, but you ignore what you posted. Wakefield doesn't have to go through waivers at all to be traded or released. You are continuing your diversion tactics.

    Joe, Pedroia plays 2B.

    I notice there was no split for RHP on Lowrie. End of story.

    I think Tony Lee is right, but we'll see if his obvious assertion that the Red Sox is his source turns out to be true. I hope so. Lowrie's gigantic swing will hit the wall once teams get used to seeing him.
     
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    I don't care who the starting SS is, that is not the issue of this team.  The Sox are painful to watch and don't jell as a team.  They play like the Clevelnad Indians or Kansas City Royals usually do at 4 time the price tag, even the Marlins with a $40M payroll are more entertaining and deserving of support. I'll invest my time in the Celtics and tune back in during May to see where they are.  Yell
     
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    [QUOTE]2. Can we go ahead and call Jed Lowrie our everyday shortstop? -- EL As tempting as it is to say so amid Lowrie's incredible hot streak, the answer is no. Not yet. Lowrie will not hit .500, he remains inferior defensively compared to Marco Scutaro and his ability to play multiple positions still gives the team incredible value as a backup to others. If Terry Francona absolutely has to find a spot for Lowrie each and every day, he can by giving someone somewhere a rest. But there are so many established everyday players on this team that that is not possible. Expect Lowrie to continue to get the bulk or all of the starts at shortstop against lefties, as well as starts at third base and maybe even designated hitter. He'll be in there four or five times a week, at least. The one caveat in this is if the team explores a trade of Scutaro. There are a handful of teams that could use a veteran shortstop, and the Red Sox could use another arm or two, or perhaps some more catching depth  -- NESN Tony Lee has always been a fairly round tire. Lowrie's role from spring training was well thought out.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    Lowrie has been playing so much lately because of his ability to hit lefties.  By the end of this series, the Sox will have faced five lefties in six games.  The true test will be what happens to his playing time (and performance) once they start facing righties more frequently.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS:
    [QUOTE]Did you ignore what i posted in response to that?  There are 3 different types of waivers.  Prior to being released a player must go through revocable waivers.  That's how the rule is worded.  The player may instead be placed on irrevocable waivers.  In such an instance the player may be assigned to the minors, although in Wake's case he could refuse the assignment since he has more than 5 years of MLB service. No, but you ignore what you posted. Wakefield doesn't have to go through waivers at all to be traded or released. You are continuing your diversion tactics.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    First of all, the discussion wasn't around making a trade when that claim was made.  Secondly part of being released is going through release waivers.

    You are mad because you were wrong and can't find anything to prove that you're right.  So you cling to a statement that was made without research having been done thinking that you trapped me in a false claim.

    I have provided my evidence as to being right on the thread in question, why don't you provide something that says that you're right?

    Also, please at least attempt to keep these little back and forths to the thread where they started.  I think everyone on the board would appreciate it.

     
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    [QUOTE]Joe, Pedroia plays 2B. I notice there was no split for RHP on Lowrie. End of story. I think Tony Lee is right, but we'll see if his obvious assertion that the Red Sox is his source turns out to be true. I hope so. Lowrie's gigantic swing will hit the wall once teams get used to seeing him.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    While I certainly agree with you that Pedroia plays second and Lowrie does not have a future at that position on the Red Sox, let's compare him to his potential replacement (You may recall this post from the "Nice Try Lowrie!" thread).

    Career numbers as of 4/17/2011:

    Lowrie (excluding agreed upon injured 2009):
    vs RHP .242/.327/.392 - .719
    vs LHP .348/.415/.585 - 1.000

    Scutaro
    vs RHP .270/.333/.380 - .713
    vs LHP .256/.343/.394 - .736

     
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    [QUOTE]Everybody is looking offense too much at the SS position, what is Scutaro Fielding % and Lowrie's, since being with the Sox. Maxvill, Belanger, Brinkman, Shortstops that couldn't hit a lick, but was put out there everyday for their defense. That position starts with defense then if you can hit its gravy.
    Posted by bobbysu[/QUOTE]

    Neither of them is a good fielder at this point. Lowrie has been a capable SS in the past however especially if you only want to look at fielding %.  When he was called up in 2008 he didn't make an error in his 49 games at SS (45 starts).  The only error he committed was at 3B.  

    To date, Lowrie had made 4 errors at SS in his major league career (106 games, 90 starts) in 169 chances for a .9763 fielding %.

    Scutaro has made 58 errors in his major league career at SS in 1123 chances for a .9484 fielding %.

    While with the Sox, Scutaro has made 20 errors in 286 chances for a .9301 fielding %.

    Both players were injured during these samples, as Lowrie fought through a fractured wrist and Scutaro dealt with a rotator cuff injury.

    This year they have each made 2 errors at SS.  Scutaro has had 18 chances, while Lowrie has had 14.


    EDIT: Please Note Lowrie's Fielding % is actually .988.  My bad.

    EDIT2: Scutaro's Fielding % is actually .964.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS:
    [QUOTE]JB3 J-Lo  327 chances at SS, .988 Fpct 106 90 780.1 327 100 223 4 58 .988
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]

    Agreed on the Fpct (that's what I get for using the windows calculator), but fangraphs is showing 169 plays with a total of 201 balls in his defensive zone (leaving Fpct for a minute, but showing that he couldn't possibly have 327 chances at SS).  288 plays total (combined total for all positions).


    Where are you getting 327 from?
     
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    [QUOTE]Everybody is looking offense too much at the SS position, what is Scutaro Fielding % and Lowrie's, since being with the Sox. Maxvill, Belanger, Brinkman, Shortstops that couldn't hit a lick, but was put out there everyday for their defense. That position starts with defense then if you can hit its gravy.
    Posted by bobbysu[/QUOTE]

    Those guys had significantly more range than either Scutaro or Lowrie.  Also, the run environment was very different during the 60s, 70s, and 80s than it is now.  It was acceptable to play small ball and have defensive specialists like Belanger at that time.  It isn't now.  If the run environment reverted how it was 30-40 years ago, then it might be acceptable to think defense first.
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

     and his ability to play multiple positions still gives the team incredible value as a backup to others.

    While this is true, he seems to forget that Scutaro was a utility role player his entire career before 2009...he's played all over the infield and even some outfield. Not saying Lowrie should start every day over Scutaro, but Lowrie's versatility isn't really an argument for why he shouldn't...Scutaro could easily slide into the utility role and do it just as well as Lowrie, IMO. 
     

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