Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances and Ivan Nova-

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    Ubaldo Jimenez tra...

    by Denver Post  columnist Dave Krieger

    After another disheartening day at the ballyard, it's about time to admit that the unthinkable has become thinkable. The Rockies have a Ubaldo dilemma.

    Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated claimed on his Twitter feed Sunday that the Rocks have told the Yankees what it will take to get pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez in a trade: a package of catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances and Ivan Nova.

    These are mostly prized prospects at the Double-A and Triple-A levels, although, owing to an injury to Phil Hughes, Nova has started 16 games for the Yankees this year, going 8-4 with a 4.12 ERA. The four prospects are, respectively, 21, 20, 23 and 24 years old.

    When I reached Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd to ask him about the report, his response was succinct.

    "As is common in the Twitter universe, it's better to be first than to be right," he said.

    O'Dowd has acknowledged to everyone, including Jimenez, that he is listening to inquiries about the talented 27-year-old, who is just one year removed from starting the All-Star Game for the National League. O'Dowd has also said it would take a whopper of a package to get him even to take it to Rocks ownership for consideration.

    As recently as four months ago, trading Jimenez was unthinkable. The Rocks considered themselves a budding contender built around three extraordinary young players — Ubaldo, Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez. They rewarded Tulo and CarGo with big new contracts over the winter. Because pitchers tend to be more fragile than position players, they planned to wait until this winter to lock up Ubaldo long-term.

    To say Jimenez came out of the gate slowly this year would be an understatement, but the Rocks' willingness to entertain trade talks stems less from his performance than that of the team. Ninety-five games into the season, if you see the Rocks as a contender, now or anytime soon, you do so based on faith, not evidence.

    After a desultory first half, they came out of the all-star break looking a little like the team we had expected to see. They beat the Brewers 12-3 and 4-0 in their first two games of the current homestand, showing off a resurgent offense and a talented young pitcher of their own in Juan Nicasio.

    Then, somehow, they managed to squander all that good feeling by losing the next two when they had every opportunity to sweep the series and gain a little traction.

    This is their Rosanne Rosannadanna problem. If it's not one thing, it's another. Their bullpen blew the third game. Their stars, CarGo and Tulo, were a combined 0-for-9 in Sunday's series finale. Each came to bat with a runner on second and nobody out when it mattered most — Tulo in the eighth, CarGo in the ninth. Neither even moved the runner to third.

    "You go back and look at those at-bats, we swung at one over our head, there were two that were well up out of the strike zone that we swung at, one that was well off the plate that we ended up hitting to third," a frustrated manager Jim Tracy said afterward.

    "It's the pitch selection part of it. In order to execute these situations, you need to show the maturity to be patient and allow the pitch to show up that you can get the job done with."

    If Tulo and CarGo aren't ready to lead, much of the rest of the young cast isn't even ready to follow. After showing signs of life coming out of the break, third baseman Ian Stewart played such a brain-dead game Sunday that Tracy removed him for Ty Wigginton in the fifth.

    Tracy also pinch hit a right- handed veteran, Mark Ellis, for the switch-hitting Dexter Fowler against right-handed Brewers closer John Axford in the ninth. That's how much faith the Rocks have in the young supporting cast right now. The most professional hitters on the team are Todd Helton and Jason Giambi, who are, unfortunately, nearly 80 years old between them.

    When I asked O'Dowd if he had changed his evaluation of the roster, he said he would rather wait until later in the year to make that call. "But it's been a frustrating season," he acknowledged.

    As for the Ubaldo talks, the Rocks' GM said nobody has yet offered a package worthy of serious consideration. The trade deadline is July 31. A lot can change in 13 days.

    To deal Ubaldo, the best pitcher the Rocks have ever produced, the package in return would have to blow them away. But let's face it — they've done a lousy job drafting pitching prospects lately and could use some reinforcements.

    Frankly, such a rich package is unlikely, and there's a lot to like about keeping Jimenez around. But the Rocks are right to listen because the evidence suggests they're not nearly good enough as they stand.



     
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    I do hope that the Yankees do pull that trade.  Losing Montero and Nova would hurt the Yankees more than Jimenez helping the Yankees.  Nova have been pitching very well, and he is only 24 years old.  

    But the Yankees already said that they are not going to give up both Montero and Nova at the same time.  Still the Rockies are going play the same card as the Marlins and San Diego Padres did in the last two years where Marlins got bunch of prospects to trade away Caberera and Padres got bunch of players from Boston to trade away A-Gonz.  Therefore, the Rockies isnt going to let the Yankees do whatever that they want to do.


     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    Jimenez could turn into another Vazquez... I hope the Yankees sell the farm and each one of the farmhands goes on to help the Rockies win a WSC (after we win another of course).
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    Geez....anyone here ever negotiate anything?

    You start by asking for the moon and then negotiate from there. Not saying that a trade happens, but get a clue.

     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    Sure if your anyone other than New York - they will do anything to get a proven star... even if that star is Javier Vasquez II.
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    In Response to Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances and Ivan Nova-:
    [QUOTE]Jimenez could turn into another Vazquez... I hope the Yankees sell the farm and each one of the farmhands goes on to help the Rockies win a WSC (after we win another of course).
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Or he could continue to pitch well. Trading prospects for major league talent usually has little risk. Remember that they are called prospects for a reason. The majority of prospects don't turn into stars and many will never even make it to the majors.
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    I know, I was only saying "I hope,"..... 
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    I'm surprised no one picked up on this, but shouldn't the Rockies interest in Montero be viewed as a vote of confidence in his defense behind the plate, or do they view him as a 1B?
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    The Yankees and Rockies haven't started exchanging names in Ubaldo Jimenez trade talks, reports ESPN.com's Buster Olney.
    This contradicts a report by SI.com's Jon Heyman on Sunday in which he wrote that the Rockies have asked the Yankees for catcher Jesus Montero, starter Ivan Nova and New York's top two pitching prospects — Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances -- in return for Jimenez. Olney writes that the odds of a Jimenez trade between the Yankees and Rockies are very slim.
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    I am still not sure why a NL pitcher is so attractive to the Yanks to begin with.   Coming to the AL East is quite a change.  I would think they would get somebody a bit more battle tested.  Otherwise, why bother?  
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    Yankees catcher Jesus Montero will not be the centerpiece of a Jimenez deal, a person with ties to the Rockies tells SI's Jon Heyman (Twitter link).  That makes sense, especially if the Rockies view Montero as a future first baseman.  The real question is whether O'Dowd is keen on the idea of 20-year-old southpaw Manny Banuelos as the key player, and whether the Yankees would part with him and plenty of other top prospects or young players. 



     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    Question is there a bonafide top of the rotation starter who's rumored to be on the market that the Yanks haven't at least made an inquiry on? The answer is no! Last I checked starting pitching has been near or at the top of the Yankees to-do list since learning of Petitte's retirement. There pursuit of and the aquisition of a top of the rotation guy, much like last year when they tried to aquire Lee from the Mariners, will hinge on whether thier prospects are a match for aquiring teams organizational needs.  An example was last years they were trumped by Texas becuase the Rangers "prospects" (Smoak in particular) was a better match for the Mariners organizational needs".

    As with all deals of this magnitude, the Yank's will have to pay, the question is how much and which team do they match up with the best, from where I sit Montero is not someone the Rockies would place as a deal breaker, they have a pretty good young catcher in thier system, Roserio, who's a better catcher than Montero, and comparable with the bat, both are just 21...

    While Jimenez is a guy with the stuff to be a top of the rotation guy, he's never delivered to that expectation, merely shown flashes. From where I sit, it's doubtful they'd trade four top prosepcts to Colorado for a guy that's not an elite pitcher, but one with the potentail to be one.
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    If the Yankees are willing to part with Banuelos, Betances, Nova & Montero all in the same trade, they can do better than Jimenez.  They could probably take that package to Seattle for Felix & Figgins.  That would be a huge boost to this year's team, and give them a little leverage if Sabathia decides to opt out and re-negotiate his deal.

    Jimenez has shown flashes of greatness, but at the end of the day he is as much a question mark as any of the current Yankee starters, after CC.
     
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    Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny ...

    In Response to Re: Ubaldo Jimenez trade would have to be blockbuster-Rockies want Yankees players- catcher Jesus Montero and pitchers Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances and Ivan Nova-:
    [QUOTE]I am still not sure why a NL pitcher is so attractive to the Yanks to begin with.   Coming to the AL East is quite a change.  I would think they would get somebody a bit more battle tested.  Otherwise, why bother?  
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure how atractive he is to the yanks

    but your point has some merit soxmeister

    but if he is available then he's seems to be the best avb SP

    some might think garza

    but he debunks the pitching in the NL vs AL theory

    that you are holding against uba
     

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