Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST

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    Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST

    I missed this but got wind of it this morning on WEEI

    Anyone know the story here please?
     
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    [QUOTE]I missed this but got wind of it this morning on WEEI Anyone know the story here please?
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    If you google it you just get the same story with no real details.

     
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    Aviles is the essence of a loser. Can't field a lick or hit a lick when the game is tight. He is a utility infielder, where he has some value.
     
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    [QUOTE]Aviles is the essence of a loser. Can't field a lick or hit a lick when the game is tight. He is a utility infielder, where he has some value.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    the thread isn't about Aviles skill set you silly little person.

     
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    [QUOTE]Aviles is the essence of a loser. Can't field a lick or hit a lick when the game is tight. He is a utility infielder, where he has some value.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    aw, you're just saying that because you are a racist.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST : aw, you're just saying that because you are a racist.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    This board needs a "like" button.

     
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    [QUOTE]I missed this but got wind of it this morning on WEEI Anyone know the story here please?
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    First I heard of it also, Andrew. Lou Merloni was on comcast sport last night. During ST, Valentine was extremely critical of Aviles during infield drills. Group of players took exception to it and confronted BV regarding his treatment of Aviles, which led to BV apologizing. Merloni was critical of BV's approach, said Aviles nor Youkilis deserved it. He commended the players for having each others back, although he thought Pedroia's comments went to far. He thinks this has led to a clubhouse revolt against their manager
     
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    The NYC tabloids seem to be working overtime to dig up as much smut as possible to disparage BV. We don't really need that since we have a few Boston columnists who do Red Sox bashing for a living and then there is Felger, Mazz, and the other bozos on talk radio which we all know is listened to by a very disloyal audience. A Red Sox fan would be better off tuning into Mike Francesa than listening to Felger and Mazz.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST : First I heard of also Andrew. Lou Merloni was on comcast sport last night. During ST, Valentine was extremely critical of Aviles during infield drills. Group of players took exception to it and confronted BV regarding his treatment of Aviles, which led to BV having apologizing. Merloni was critical of BV's approach, said Aviles nor Youkilis deserved it. He commended the players for having each others back, although he thought Pedroia's comments went to far. He thinks this has led to a clubhouse revolt against their manager
    Posted by J-BAY[/QUOTE]

    But was there something specific that Aviles did that set up BV? Was he not taking drills seriously?
     
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    What is a clubhouse revolt? Is that the reason for the sky high ERA's and pathetic hitting? Does that mean that the players are deliberately tanking to show up the manager?  Does that mean that the spoiled rotten and overpaid athletes cannot take a little adversity?  Does " maybe that works in Japan " mean that the Japanese players are more dedicated and more respectful of authority than the American players? What does it all mean , anyway?  How about this for an idea:  Just go out and be professional , win some games , and prove that you are not a bunch of overrated, overpaid whiners. That might work.  I have seen that from David Ortiz , but not many others. The next 22 games are against teams that we should beat. Time to shape up !!!!
     
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    "May be, that works in Japan" is so typical of narrow-minded workers that plague not just sports teams but corporations as well.  People in losing organizations often do not want to try a new way because "it wasn't invested here"!

    Also, since when did the players become the bosses of their manager? 
     
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    [QUOTE]since when did the players become the bosses of their manager? 
    Posted by RS75[/QUOTE]
    I haven't heard anything which indicates the players are not letting BV manage.  He said something stupid which embarrassed a veteran player and he got a smack down for it.  Maybe Pedey went too far, but let's face it Bobby brought that circus to town all by himself.  Now if the players start questioning his in game decisions in the media, then your comment becomes valid.

    Galehouse - The hitting is just fine.  I really don't know what your criticism is there other than a couple of players being in a slump ... which is balanced by others being on a hot streak.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST : But was there something specific that Aviles did that set up BV? Was he not taking drills seriously?
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    He didnt say specifically what led to it, just what happened as a result. He did say Valentine wanted Iglasias at SS, so that may have had something to do with it.
     
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    Must be why BV was over-compensating by talking about Aviles like he is a young Nomar.......
     
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    BV brought the Circus to town? Hasn't the circus always been in this town starting with Ted Williams. Many players can't handle the Circus here ( Renteria, Melancon). Everything gets magnified and bent out of proportion in this fishbowl. Manny wanted to be traded after one year here.
     
    After Saturday's loss only one player stayed to speak to the media because they knew that they would be baited to say something controversial and react the wrong way or have their words taken out of context. Besides, what does a player have to say right after his team gets embarassed that the media doesn't already know? If he tells the media to fill in the blanks then they will construe that to mean that Player X said that the bullpen is terrible. Put a gag order on BV and the players and forget about the media. We can fill in all of the blanks by watching the games, who needs the media?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST : He didnt say specifically what led to it, just what happened as a result. He did say Valentine wanted Iglasias at SS, so that may have had something to do with it.
    Posted by J-BAY[/QUOTE] J, is this apart from what the FO wanted??...not reading into anything, just curious.. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST : J, is this apart from what the FO wanted??...not reading into anything, just curious.. 
    Posted by jete02fan[/QUOTE]

    That's my take on it, Jete....he was overruled.
     
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    was BV here for the circus last year?
     
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    Based on what I've seen from Aviles in the field, I cant fault Bobby V for his eye sight.  What a bunch of thin skined, over paid, whining, under achievers.
     
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    a very ugly scene

    Google "a very ugly scene". That is detail enough, and translates to a minimum of invective assault. A head vacuum lacks details, snakeoil salesman.
     
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    [QUOTE]BV brought the Circus to town? Hasn't the circus always been in this town ...

     Put a gag order on BV and the players and forget about the media. We can fill in all of the blanks by watching the games, who needs the media?
    Posted by 6k42lt913c[/QUOTE]

    As for the first part, yes, BV brings his own circus.  Agreed, Boston is a place that is always ready to start a circus which is why Bobby is a bad fit here.  Tito excelled at keeping it all at bay so his players could focus on the game.  BV is the opposite ... he just amplifies the media noise.  It started in ST with his not so subtle hints he didn't want Bard to start and then the Youk thing was suchover the top, bull-in-a-china-shop stupidity that it is hard to forgive.

    As for the second part, that sounds nice.
     
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    [QUOTE]Aviles is the essence of a loser. Can't field a lick or hit a lick when the game is tight. He is a utility infielder, where he has some value.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]
    yea trade hm for bill hall right.....yuk
     
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    Valentine came in with at least a perceived mandate that he fix a undisciplined clubhouse and light a fire under the team.  I'm guessing that the players didn't think that either was needed.  That, coupled with Valenine's miscue regarding Youkilis and his ST "confrontation" with Aviles brings the RS to "player revolt".  I'm not so sure they should be revolting.

    At this point management needs to make a definitive statement that Valentine isn't going anywhere. They need to kill the "Bobby isn't going to make it through the season" story lines.  Without such a statement the storm swirling around Valentine and the RS will only get wose.  Much like the chicken and beer scandal of 2011 a lot of this is unwarranted, inaccurate and irrelevant. Stories are starting to take on a life of their own and a great deal of effort will be needed just to address and squash them.  Regardless though, if the FO can't fix the BP, (especially), .. get their starting OF off the DL and do something about SS it won't matter who is running the team.

    As someone that watched Billy Martin come and go with the Yankees I can tell you that the "new sheriff in town" stuff only works for so long then starts to get counter productive. And, that was back in the 70-80s when players had far less clout.  The RS owners wanted a strong presence in the clubhouse and they got it. Now they need to back him up if there is any hope of salvaging the season.  Of course it would help if Valentine stopped being Valentine, .. i.e, just shut up already.  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Valentine/Aviles Confrontation in ST : First I heard of it also, Andrew. Lou Merloni was on comcast sport last night. During ST, Valentine was extremely critical of Aviles during infield drills. Group of players took exception to it and confronted BV regarding his treatment of Aviles, which led to BV apologizing. Merloni was critical of BV's approach, said Aviles nor Youkilis deserved it. He commended the players for having each others back, although he thought Pedroia's comments went to far. He thinks this has led to a clubhouse revolt against their manager
    Posted by J-BAY[/QUOTE]

    Perfect example of anarchy. In any professional organization, the chain of command is essential to good order and discipline. Regardless of whether or not Valentine was correct or not in calling out Aviles, it's none of the other players business. Now, if Aviles wants to confront BV, it should be done privately. A baseball team is not a democracy.
     
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    a baseball is not a democracy, correct

    and neither is these united states of America
     

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