What is our top offseason priority?

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    What is our top offseason priority?

    Choose wisely...
     
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    Pitching, pitching pitching.
     
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    Definately pitching (2-3, 4-5)....never enough and our history is one of multiple injuries during the year.
     
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    PITCHING!!!  
     
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    starting pitching...RFer....
     
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    My biggest concern is Buchholz' health.  If he returns to normal service we will have a great SP foundation.  If he doesn't (or Lester/Beckett fail for some reason) I think we're stuffed.

    After that, my only big concerns are 4/5 SP, Youk's health and the bullpen especially if Paps goes....all pretty serious, of course, and hard to address.
     
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    Re-sign Paps - that's probably my #1 priority.....I'll make him a great offer 3/46 - he gets to have the highest contract for a closer ever.  If he rejects it I will warn him that we will immediately pull the offer and move on. 

    Make Ortiz an offer

    Trade for a starter

    Try to deal away Crawful
     
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    [QUOTE]Pitching, pitching pitching.
    Posted by carnie[/QUOTE]

    You forgot 'and more pitching'.

    If wish there was a category for 'getting younger'.  Other than that, two SPs.  You can work with what we have on the rest.  We need a RF, but not having two more SPs will hurt more than a DMac/Reddck platoon.
     
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    Off-loading Josh Beckett.

     
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    [QUOTE]Off-loading Josh Beckett.
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]

    Hear hear!....let's dump 2011 All Star Josh Beckett and his bloated 1.026 WHIP and his 2.89 ERA.  Good riddance to bad rubbish, eh?  Who needs that (allegedly) beer drinking and chicken eating double World Series hero when we have Lester, (stress fractured) Buchholz, Miller, Wakefield, Doubrant and Weiland ready to take on the Yanks and Rays?

    I mean, REALLY!  How standards have fallen!....how I long for the halcyon days when Babe Ruth mailed in a season with syphylis.....

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What is our top offseason priority? : Hear hear!....let's dump 2011 All Star Josh Beckett and his bloated 1.026 WHIP and his 2.89 ERA.  Good riddance to bad rubbish, eh?  Who needs that (allegedly) beer drinking and chicken eating double World Series hero when we have Lester, (stress fractured) Buchholz, Miller, Wakefield, Doubrant and Weiland ready to take on the Yanks and Rays? I mean, REALLY!  How standards have fallen!....how I long for the halcyon days when Babe Ruth mailed in a season with syphylis.....
    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars[/QUOTE]

    Just an opinion shared by many, none the least of the reasons are his appreciation for fatty foods, his poor work ethic toward fitness, his sour attitude toward John Farrell/Terry Francona and his poor leadership. All Star? Ha! Some leader...see ya! The Sox are quickly seeing how few teams "covet" Josh Beckett because they know all about him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What is our top offseason priority? : You forgot 'and more pitching'. If wish there was a category for 'getting younger'.  Other than that, two SPs.  You can work with what we have on the rest.  We need a RF, but not having two more SPs will hurt more than a DMac/Reddck platoon.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]My bad.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What is our top offseason priority? : Just an opinion shared by many, none the least of the reasons are his appreciation for fatty foods, his poor work ethic toward fitness, his sour attitude toward John Farrell/Terry Francona and his poor leadership. All Star? Ha! Some leader...see ya! The Sox are quickly seeing how few teams "covet" Josh Beckett because they know all about him.
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]

    I'm sure the Red Sox are now concerned with Beckett's attitude towards Farrell/Francona.  Next year, when they are trying to manage games and he's pouting to them about how their not the manager of the team, and they probably shouldn't be in the dugout, the Red Sox will probably trade him.  I know I would. 

    But back here in reality, with a healthy Lester/Beckett/Buchholz atop the rotation, you are in a good position.  You want to add to that, not subtract. 
     
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    I would see what's out there in the 2/3 category for SP, then consider what it might take to obtain one in a trade. I assume that the Sox will protect Middlebrooks and Lavarnway but that either Kalish  or Reddick might be available.
    If a team wanted Youkilis for the right pitcher, I'd give that some serious thought.
    Lots of confidence is being expressed in Beckett/Lester/Buchholz at the top of the rotation. I would not count on all three staying healthy, for one thing. For another,let's see how the first two shape up, in more ways than one. I don't think we can assume that both will have ace-like years -- or either one of them, for that matter.

     
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    How about a good number 2 or 3 starter and 2-3 bullpen arms, at least one of which is a lefty specialist? We do also need to add a legit major leaguer to RF, and to lock up Ortiz to a two yr deal if possible.
     
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    [QUOTE]I would see what's out there in the 2/3 category for SP, then consider what it might take to obtain one in a trade. I assume that the Sox will protect Middlebrooks and Lavarnway but that either Kalish  or Reddick might be available. If a team wanted Youkilis for the right pitcher, I'd give that some serious thought. Lots of confidence is being expressed in Beckett/Lester/Buchholz at the top of the rotation. I would not count on all three staying healthy, for one thing. For another,let's see how the first two shape up, in more ways than one. I don't think we can assume that both will have ace-like years -- or either one of them, for that matter.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]
    Exactly. Anyone who is counting on this is not a historian. None will deliver 30 starts, maybe one or two will have 22-25 and my prediction is Bucholz will not hit 15.
     
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    Pitching is definately the piority and we need a legit Ace. Becket, Lester and Bucholz are good pitchers but none of them can share the stage with CC, Carpenter, Halladay likes. I say offer Bucholz and Youk for Felix. Pitching is infexious, to have a pitcher like Felix is going to have a ripple effect on rest of the pitching staff. Felix, Beckett, Lester, Aceves, open for in-house or low risk free agent signing.
     
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    All of the above.  The Sox, semmingly a top-flight team before the 2011 season are now, in my opinion, a fatally flawed team in virtually all aspects of the game.  The Sox need at least 2 additional quality starters, a RF who can field and hit for power, two to three addional quality bullpen arms (especially if Aceves is moved into the rotation), need to re-sign both Ortiz and Papelbon, trade Youkilus for a 3B who can hit and stay healthy.  After these obvious moves are made, an assessment of SS, Catching, and bench help (more offense) are needed.  The Sox bench over the last couple of years has been pretty weak in terms of havingg guys who can step-up to the plate and deliver the long-ball. Of course, the above listed moves will require a skipper who can come in and kick butt when needed in the clubhouse. Unless all of the above happen this off-season (unlikely due to the shear volume of moves required, this seems to me to be a two off-season requirement) the Red Sox are destined to be a 3rd and 4th place team in the East for the next couple of years at least.  We can only hope that some of the moves needed are accomplished this year so we can be in a position in 2013 to be competitive again.  If the Sox swing and miss on at least half of the indicated necessary moves this off-season the Sox will need another year to be competitive (2014).

    1) I would spend whatever to pry CC away from the Yankees.

    2) Trade Youkilus and another player on the 25 man roster and perhaps one or two top prospects to a team willing to part with a consensu No. 2 starter (for our number 5 spot) and a 3b.

    3) Re-sign Ortiz to a 2 year deal

    4) Re-sign Papelbon to a 3-4 year deal

    5) At least explore the possibility of signing J. Reyes (I know he seems to be hurt alot but the possibilities with his offense at SS is too good not to explore)

    6) Hire a manager who has a strong hand who can motivate and coax the best out of both established veterans and young players.

    My 2012 line-up then if the above happens:


    1) J. Ellsbury (CF)
    2) J. Reyes (SS)
    3) D. Pedroia (2B)
    4) A. Gonzalez (1B)
    5) D. Ortiz (DH)
    6) Mr. X (RF)
    7) C. Crawford (LF)
    8) Mr. Y (3B, for Youkilus)
    9) J. Saltalamaccia (C)


    Starting Pitching:

    1) CC Sabathia
    2) J. Beckett
    3) J. Lester
    4) C. Buchholz
    5) Mr. Z (from Youkilus trade)

    BullPen:

    A. Aceves
    M. Albers
    D. Wheeler
    New 1
    New 2
    D. Bard
    J.  Papelbon


    Bench help:

    M. Scutaro (IF)

    R. Lavarnaway (C)

    J. Vartitek (C)

    New 3 (OF)


     
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    Matt Kemp....
     
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    I always prefer to focus on pitching and defense, but it is probably worth noting that both teams that made the World Series this year lost an extremely valuable member of their rotation prior to the season and simply plugged in a member of the bullpen.  For Texas, this is the second year in a row that have tried that approach. But they did OK this year with Alexi Ogando replacing Cliff Lee in the bullpen, and he was probably a better replacement than Kyle McClellan was for Adam Wainwright.

    With that said, it might be a good idea to keep Aceves in the rotation picture and look into free agency in the one area it does have serious depth - the bullpen. 

    I still like the idea of trading for a SP, but it really all depends on who the Sox deem a good trade bait candidate.  The idea of trading Beckett for itching seems a little silly.  no one will giev you a pitcher better than Beckett for Beckett.  Youkilis?  He could be dealt.  His value might be low, but next off-season it won't be much better given that he will be playing out his final year on the $13mill option. 

    I will say Youkilis contract is nearly identical to Ervin Santana's and the Angels might be able to use Youkilis as a 3B instead of overspending for Aramis Ramirez. There is a good matchup if the Sox think they can replace Youk's bat...

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What is our top offseason priority? : Just an opinion shared by many, none the least of the reasons are his appreciation for fatty foods, his poor work ethic toward fitness, his sour attitude toward John Farrell/Terry Francona and his poor leadership. All Star? Ha! Some leader...see ya! The Sox are quickly seeing how few teams "covet" Josh Beckett because they know all about him.
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, 27 or 28.  29 tops.

    his only detractors seem to be you and andrewmitch.  And andrewmitch is the Life Cereal Mikey of baseball fans....
     
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    A second baseman and center fielder.

    Kidding ... starting pitching, and when we get that taken care of, more starting pitching.

     
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    [QUOTE]Re-sign Paps - that's probably my #1 priority.....I'll make him a great offer 3/46 - he gets to have the highest contract for a closer ever.  If he rejects it I will warn him that we will immediately pull the offer and move on.  Make Ortiz an offer Trade for a starter Try to deal away Crawful
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Give me a break. Crawford's record over the years has been one of being an excellent player. Granted he had a terrible season, but it doesn't mean next year will be the same. If he returns to be the player he was in Tampa Bay you'll be eating your words.   
     
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    Lots of confidence is being expressed in Beckett/Lester/Buchholz at the top of the rotation. I would not count on all three staying healthy, for one thing. For another,let's see how the first two shape up, in more ways than one. I don't think we can assume that both will have ace-like years -- or either one of them, for that matter.

    This has been my point since the season ended. While I have always been for building up the staff every winter from the top of middle not the bottom, I have always assumed our top 2 or 3 starters would produce every year: it hasn't happened. Chances are it won't. If it does happen, and all three have great years in 2012, it won't hurt to have a 4th either.

    We need another very good starter. We can not take the Penny/Smoltz road unless we want to just roll the dice on 2012. I don't see any realistic FA pitchers that won't cost way too much or that are even sure bets. I think we need to look at a trade. We need to accept that we might have to take a step back on offense to make it happen, or trade a few of our top future prospects. Good starters are not cheap.

    Ex is right, we probably will not deal Middlebrooks or Lavarnway, but maybe evey other prospect could be on the table. If we keep Papi, Youk might be on the table. If we get a solid RF'er of a very good RH'd platoon OF'er, then Reddick or Kalish may go. If someone is high on Iggy, he might go, since many feel Bogaerts is better anyway. We might be able to get a few pieces by trading Lowrie, DMac, and a few lower level pieces, and then add those players to a list of  prospects and get someone good. There are a lot of teams that have no realistic hope of winning in 2012 or even 2013 who have starters that will be FAs soon or who are overpaid. We might be able to work out a deal like that. Hoping for another Schill type deal may be wishful thinking, but something could be out there.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What is our top offseason priority? : Just an opinion shared by many, none the least of the reasons are his appreciation for fatty foods, his poor work ethic toward fitness, his sour attitude toward John Farrell/Terry Francona and his poor leadership. All Star? Ha! Some leader...see ya! The Sox are quickly seeing how few teams "covet" Josh Beckett because they know all about him.
    Posted by WesternOregon[/QUOTE]

    And I'm sure you've a good inside MLB source to back up your vast knowledge about Beckett.  
     

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