In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to Promise4you2's comment:
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
1) Wanting to trade a guy does not mean you think he is useless or bad.
2) Looking beyond ERA is not bashing.
3) Pointing out that a player came to camp out of shape in 2 of his 3 MLB seasons is not bashing.
I'm not "admitting I was wrong", because I have said all along that Doubront has nasty stuff, but has a way too high WHIP to be able to sustain a lower ERA over a long period of time. He pitched a great game against a team with a better offense than many want to realize. He's had a very good 4-5 start stretch and seems to be heading in the right direction at a time when we need someone to step it up. I hope he continues his progress. I am happy for him and root for him as much as any other Sox pitcher. I'm hoping I am wrong about his motivational and attitude issues and will be the first to admit it after a proper sample size which includes some crunch time action has been completed. It's great to see his WHIP and ERA go down and that helping us get wins. It's surprising to see his 2013 WHIP is still higher than 2012 and his career number, but if he keeps pitching like this, it won't take long.
Side note: when Doubront pitches poorly for a game or a stretch, you won't see me create a thread calling you and others out.
And just think, if it was up to you, we would have traded one of the best young up and coming left handers in THE GAME for Gavin Floyd ( 0-4, 5.18, 2.08 whip : ) ) or....oh ya, Brett Anderson ( who's been on the dl more than he's actually pitched ) NOW WILL YOU ADMIT that you were wrong on Doubront? How's that whip doing now moon ....?
Im on your side about keeping Doubront, you know that. But Do you have to rub another posters nose in it everytime he wins? That just starts a fight, or keeps one going.
Even if you did it without mentioning names. Maybe a "well, for all of those wanting Doubront gone" type thing instead of singling one poster out. Realistically, I could name a half dozen off the top of my head that wanted him gone, not just Moon.
Ok, enough of that...
Doubront is getting better with each game it seems. Hes now starting to consistently go 7IP and hasnt given up more than 3ER is 11 games. Since he stared this run of 3ER or less, his ERA has gone down 2 full runs. Ive seen him hit 94MPH on the gun again. Not consistently, but semi-consistently. Hes become economical with his pitch count, which has allowed him to go deeper into games. His ERA+ is way up and his WHIP, although still 1.4, is now trending down.
I still dont like the out of shape thing and it did hurt this team at the start of the year ans well as his shoulder. Im hoping he can now realize what it does to you and to the team. If he does do it again, and as hard as it would be, I would shop him. We have some good arms that are willing to put in the time in the off season as well as in season to make them better and help the team, not hurt it.
Hey Southy, another gem by Doubs. I think he got his head in order, stopped glaring at the umps, getting a few more calls his way and maturing finally. I want to disagree about shopping him next year if he comes in out of shape. If this guy can win 15-18 games a year for the next five, years at a reasonable cost, would it not be smarter to hire a trainer to work with him through out the off season and have him report monthly to sox management on his condition? I bet you can hire a good trainer for less than 100K for 5 months.
Lets face it, he is still a kid, kids do, well dumb things. I Also dont believe there is a better arm in the minors than his. Seen a lot of rah rah (and im big on our minor leaguers) but they have shown not much better than Doubs. just my thoughts.
Good Morning promise!
Seeing that this is his 2nd time doing it, I would have a very serious, if they already havent, sit down with him...again. Make no bones about it, and convey very clearly and directly what they expect from him.
I understand he can win 15-17, but he hurt this team in 2011 because they expected to use him in the rotation that year, and this year at the start of the year coming in and looking awful. At some point you have to put your foot down. The good thing is that most teams would give a lot in return for a LHP who has swing and miss stuff and is under control for 4+ years. We do have a few prospects starting to knock on the door for a spot in the rotation.
I dont want to have to go down that road Promise, but Felix is going to be 26 at the end of Oct.. Thats not a kid anymore. He has great potential. TOTR potential. If he cant take it seriously, then let another kid who has the potential to win 15 games get a shot.
I certainly dont want to lose Doubie, but he just cant show up like he has the last 2 of 3 years. He suffered injuries due to it in 2011 and this year the same thing with a big loss of velocity for the first 2 months. All that caused the Sox to use pitchers that they would rather not have, and it cost him time on the DL.