Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

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    Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    Just wondering.

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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    Where are all the Sox forum readers who are more concerned about a 1 to 2 mil insurance policy potential reliever/spot starter than who will become: 1. Sox Manager, 2. Sox RF, 3. Sox Closer, 4. Sox No. 4,5 starters, 5. Sox Starting Catcher; 6. Sox second SS; 7. Sox DH/3B situation regarding injury-prone Youkilis and the ever-aging Ortiz. ..... Yes, let's bring up the umpteenth Wakefield Hate thread...You guys are simply morons.
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

       THE BARROOM LEAGUE DOES NOT GET GOING TILL EARLY MAY !!!
     
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    In Response to Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest:
    [QUOTE]Just wondering. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
    Posted by ADG[/QUOTE]
    Contract negotiations typically are done in private, so how does anyone know whether teams are "banging on Tim Wakefield's Door"? The OP reflects the ugliness of many Red Sox fans.
     
    Wakefield should retire, but the knuckleballer should find a team if he stays in the game.

    The vast majority a free agents remain unsigned on November 29:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhNuBm_TePTxepp.wOoms10RvLYF?slug=jp-passan_ultimate_free_agent_tracker_baseball_110211
     
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    In Response to Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest : Contract negotiations typically are done in private, so how does anyone know whether teams are "banging on Tim Wakefield's Door"? The OP reflects the ugliness of many Red Sox fans.   Wakefield should retire, but the knuckleballer should find a team if he stays in the game. The vast majority a free agents remain unsigned on November 29: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhNuBm_TePTxepp.wOoms10RvLYF?slug=jp-passan_ultimate_free_agent_tracker_baseball_110211
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    As long as he can get guys out, he should continue to pitch. He is an above
    .500 pitcher for his career, there is not a whole of guys who can't claim that.
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    Wastefield has zero market beyond a minor league tryout for MLB contract market. Take a look at the 45 year old Wastefield droppings from July 2009 to September 2011. That is over 2 years! Inepstein was social services for Wastefield's MLB baseball career.

    Hill is wrong. A lot more Red Sox fans understand that there is no place for favorite old son good ole boys on MLB rosters in wheelchairs chasing milestone records and performing like a fat guy in a girls softball league.

    Wastefield allowing his agent to beg and prevaricate (15 wins somewhere) for the promise that Wastefield will retire at year end is about the most pathetic low I have seen an old washed up player reach.
     
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    I agree.

    I was stunned to hear his agent say that.  The guy has no -- as in zero -- upside.

    Plus his comment about the fans deserving to see him hit the wins milestone -- brutal.
     
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    Does ADG work for the Globe?
     
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    What I don't get is why re-signing Wake is a bad move to some of you.  He's cheap, versatile, he can still eat innings, and he never seems to grouse about his role.  He's insurance, a 5th or 6th starter.  Are the Sox supposed to have 5 aces? 
     
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    In Response to Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest:
    [QUOTE]What I don't get is why re-signing Wake is a bad move to some of you.  He's cheap, versatile, he can still eat innings, and he never seems to grouse about his role.  He's insurance, a 5th or 6th starter.  Are the Sox supposed to have 5 aces? 
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn[/QUOTE]

    That is samething if we all say what is wrong using Weiland, Tazwaza, Bowen, Droubmont, etc who are all cheap, versatile and will eat innings!!!

    Seriously, time to give these youngster a chance and try to improve themselves before they are either a waste of prospect or not.  More Boston continues to buy bunch of pitchings and fill up all the rotation spot especially with these former tommy john surgery pitchers, these youngsters will never give themselves a chance that if they are able to pitch at the major league level or not.  

    Look at all teams that have made into the playoff, half of their rotation are bunch of young kids such as Tigers, Rangers, Cardinals, Rays, Brewers, etc as well for some teams who didnt make into the playoff such as Angels, Bluejays, etc.  

    Come on guys....it is the time to say good bye to Wakefield!!
     
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    He's cheap, versatile, he can still eat innings, and he never seems to grouse about his role

    I see Wastefield is on the Board doing PR work. Wastefield cost nearly 4 milllion for crap in 2011. That is not cheap. A position bench player can eat inning by throwing T-Ball practice to tire out opponent. Wastefield is completely useless in pen role, where runners on means the end for Timmy T-Ball.

    T-Ball's role is invented, and amounts to drinking beer, telling old stories and getting paid millions for a beer gut and T=Ball performance. Wastefield is grousing about the fact that the Red Sox have so far refused to pay him millions to not grouse. 
     
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    For two million bucks they can have Wake and give all of their young guys a chance to supplant him in the rotation.  If the young guys were pitching better, the Sox would pitch them over Wake.  I saw nothing from Bowden, Doubront or Weiland that showed they were MLB ready pitchers.  Tazawa is coming off surgery, we'll see on him.  Plus, every year the Sox have a glut of starters and end up needing every one of them.  I suspect the same will happen this year.    
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    For two million bucks they can have Wake

    Wastefield has no 2M market. For 2M they can get Francis and another younger and better veteran pitcher on one year deals.

    There are scads of better one year younger veteran MLB starting pitchers on market. Take a look at what Colon and Garcia cost the Yankees in 2011. Compare that to 3.75M for 45 year old Timmy T-Ball and the waddling paunch.

    T-Ball is begging for a contract. Offer him a minor league contract for one dollar.
     
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    okay Moon......where is the detailed breakdown of Wakes value to the team???
     
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    Wastefield has no 2M market. For 2M they can get Francis and another younger and better veteran pitcher on one year deals.

    Just like we could sign Wang for $1M. (He signed already for $4M.) 
     
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    [QUOTE]okay Moon......where is the detailed breakdown of Wakes value to the team???
    Posted by sday4x4[/QUOTE]

    Wakewas about as good as 36 other AL starters out of the top 96 by games started. He could probably be signed for $1-1.5M for 2012. There are some other starters that will go for $1-2M, but not many. Wake is just one of a small few that would be an OK gamble as a 6/7th starter at that low cost.

     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    2009-2011:
    Out of the top 117 AL Starters by GS'd: 
    31 had ERAs over 5.00
    32 had ERAs between 4.50 and 4.99 and pitched in bigger parks.

    That's about half of all AL starters.

    14 AL teams x 6 starters each= 84 starters. Looking at the top 84 starters by IP (170 IP since 2009)...

    16 had ERAs over 5.00
    16 had ERAs between 4.50 and 4.99 and played in bigger parks.

    If you go by ERA, Wake is basically an average 5/6 starter since 2009.
    If you go by WHIP, Wake is basically an average 5 starter.


    Singling out Wake is short-sighted and silly.
     
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    thanks Moon........I don't think he should be anywhere in our #1-5 or backup...but he could do long relief in pen and still hold some value over others. Close games he should not be called upon
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    You can make an argument Wake was our third best pitcher this last season, so singling him out amongst the mediocrity is unfair and unbalanced. Dice K, softy's fave, did not distinguish himself either and is likely to have another crummy season upon return from injury.

    Having said that I'm not in favor of Wake returning, his comments about wanting to come back to get the record were totally off the mark. I do think it's time for him to move on.
     
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    Wakefield to be even contemplated as a 5th or 6th starter and quote innings eater is absurd.  You saw how poorly he pitched this year and he had run support.  Wakefield is old and if innings need to be eaten let it be some young kid who can gain experience from it.

    If Wake returns he might face serious injury from hitters on other teams who seem to wait and measure how hard to swing at the now beautiful meatballs he throws their way.  It sounds silly for a knuckleballer but for this 44 year old innings eater they have seen so much of him all they have to do is wait on a knuckler that does little or one of his 72 mile fastballs and ka-boooom.
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    Lots of loser teams out there, lots of teams with guys that do not perform. Lots of old guys on teams that barely make it to the 6th inning, and when they do, they collapse or get saved by the pen.   So Wake is no different.

    Wake faded bad at the end, he gave little to save the season except a warm body to throw at the dogs.  Not one stinkin quality start down the stretch.  But this is old news.   My bet is they let Wake go. 
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    Wake can still give you 3-4 innings on a regular (every 5th day) basis. On a given day against marginal competition he can go 6-7. He has been a good soldier for a long time. This, alone, does not qualify him to remain on the staff, however; I would like him to set the Sox record. Whether he can is doubtful, but for $1.5M he is worth one more year.
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    ...let it be some young kid who can gain experience from it....

    A great idea, except for one flaw:

    We have no young guy that is MLB ready and better than Wake. We saw that last year with Miller and Weiland.

    Wake       5.12 ERA  1.358 WHIP  (154.2 IP  163 H   47 BB)
    Mill/Weil  6.12 ERA  1.773 WHIP  (89.2  IP  106 H   53 BB)

    Miller     5.54 ERA  1.815 WHIP (65.0  77  41)
    Weiland 7.66 ERA  1.662 WHIP (24.2  29  12
     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    Wake faded bad at the end, he gave little to save the season except a warm body to throw at the dogs.  Not one stinkin quality start down the stretch.  But this is old news.

    Wake did not do great "down the stretch", but to say he "faded" is not truly accurate. Wake surprisingly had the best Sept/Oct ERA out of all Sox starters (not saying much).
    His monthly ERA chart shows about his average performance over Aug-Sept:

    Apr  5.56
    May 3.51
    Jun 5.01
    Jul  6.23
    Aug 5.23
    Sep 5.25

    September records:

    Starter  GS   ERA  WHIP
    Wake    4     5.25    1.42
    Bed       3     5.25    2.00
    Lest      6      5.40    1.61
    Beck     4      5.48    1.35
    Weil     3      7.36    1.50
    Lack    5       9.13     2.03
    Mill      2     11.70    2.50

     
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    Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest

    At this point, I could care less whether Wakefield "sets a record" or not. It is simply not important to me. His recent past performance screams that he does not even deserve the opportunity. Beyond that, if we sign him to be our 5, 6 or 7 hole starter, we are headed not for 3rd place, but 4th in the ALE. It is so time for him to retire. If he chooses not to retire, then it is so time we simply do not offer him a contract.
     

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