Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest
posted at 11/30/2011 12:24 AM EST
In Response to Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest : That is samething if we all say what is wrong using Weiland, Tazwaza, Bowen, Droubmont, etc who are all cheap, versatile and will eat innings!!! Seriously, time to give these youngster a chance and try to improve themselves before they are either a waste of prospect or not. More Boston continues to buy bunch of pitchings and fill up all the rotation spot especially with these former tommy john surgery pitchers, these youngsters will never give themselves a chance that if they are able to pitch at the major league level or not. Look at all teams that have made into the playoff, half of their rotation are bunch of young kids such as Tigers, Rangers, Cardinals, Rays, Brewers, etc as well for some teams who didnt make into the playoff such as Angels, Bluejays, etc. Come on guys....it is the time to say good bye to Wakefield!!
Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]
This comment makes no sense whatsoever.
First of all, the Sox do have young farm system products in their rotation, such as Lester and Buchholz. Secondly, these post-season examples all had worn out veterans in their rotation alongside the younger pitchers you focus on. For example, Detroit used Brad Penny. Is Brad Penny really a better option than Wakefield? The Cardinals used Jake Westbrook and Kyle Lohse. In fact, unlike Wakefield, all these guys were in the opening day rotation for their respective teams, and not pressed into the role by injuries.
I don't get how you can like the Brewers when they built their rotation the exact way you don't like. They have a minor league journeyman (Chris Narveson), TWO recovering TJ arms (Marcum, Wolf), and a guy they unloaded the entire farm system for in Greinke. The only young arm they "took a chance on" from their system is 29yo Yovanni Gallardo.
Only the Rays had a rotation of young farm system starting pitchers. Even the Rangers had a very weird rotation built on former relief pitchers (Wilson, Ogando), a Japanese rehab (Lewis), and two younger pitchers, only one of whom they drafted (Holland). All these teams have guys like Doubront, Bowden, Weiland and Tazawa in their system, and all of them chose not to use these type of pitchers as starters. How many starts did Eric Hurley make for the Rangers this past year? Or Mark Rogers for the Brewers?
And then I really don’t get why we need to bring up the teams that didn’t make the playoffs using this strategy. Once you do that, you are pointing out that it actually isn’t a key to success. So – why do it?
I’m not saying Wakefield needs to come back, but I don’t see why people think his 5.00+ ERA was so much worse than Kyle Weiland and his 6.00+ ERA, coupled with his complete inability to last 5 full innings. And I know Wakefield is 45 and not getting younger, let’s not pretend Weiland is 22 and can only get better. He’ll be 26 next year, and this might be as good as he gets. (And 45 is like 35 in knuckleballer years.)
And for every fan who screams “give the kids a chance”, what exactly do you recommend as Plan B if/when the kids don’t work out? If they don’t work out – which is a very realistic possibility – then they make it tougher to trade for a quality replacement. So if these 4 guys all fail or get hurt, then what? Trying more and more kids, coupled with luck and wishful thinking? Or is Plan B simply to wait until 2013 and then go sign more veteran help at top dollar? We can all wait, right?
Hint: The answer actually is in the pitching depth. And that depth does come from getting one or two versatile arms like Wakefield who can fill in as needed. Whether or not it is Wakefield himself is not important, but the Sox – and every team – are going to go through 7 to 10 SPs (or more) next year, and counting on Weiland, Doubront, Tazawa and Bowden as four of them is a receipe for disaster.
Especially since none of these guys except maybe Doubront should ever be a starter again. This is a middle relief corps.