Re: Where are all the teams banging on Tim Wakefield's Door? A "15 game winner" should garner some interest
posted at 12/1/2011 5:26 PM EST
OK, you were one of the few who was against trading Buch when his trade value was fire sale. But I was one of the few who said abosulutely not to trade Buch for Santana, specifically citing Santana high mileage and high stress to elbow and shoulder delivery.
Yes, you were. I remember arguing against you for pages. Thanks for admitting you mistakenly linked me to the Buch-Salty deal.I give you credit for admitting you wanted to trade a young talent for Santana. Remember 4 things when it comes to top tier pitchers on the market:1. Recent years mileage2. Age3. Technique, efficiency and tempo of delivery4. Market length of contract base
You got that one 100% right. I was wrong on many levels, but most importantly, I misjudged the salary implications and hiow they would have crippled us... much like CC's is now.
Apply this, and Lackey was a 3 year and 30M max offer/ignore player. Apply this and you will see that there is no current value trade or FA market for top tier pitchers.
I know you thought it was more of an overpay than I. I have never disputed that. But, you did, upon finding out there was an injury clause in the contract, say at one point that you were "Ok with the contract, but it was a year too long". You have never admitted saying those exact words, even after I produced your direct quote. That's disingenuous and annoying.
Red Sox have wasted time and money on old veterans like Wastefield, and have not invested time and exercised patience in bringing young farm talent up and down and up and down.
You really think Weiland of Miller would have done better than 5.12 and 1.3 WHIP had they pitched 24 starts like Wake? Honestly?
You wanted Miller up in April, when he was extremely wild in AAA. Weiland was not ready... "showing patience" for him (to me) means he shouldn't have even been in Boston until at least 2012.
Most young higher potential pitchers simply need MLB innings time to mature, go back to minors and work on exposed weaknesses, then get a few breaks after call-ups to establish the level of confidence needed to succeed as MLB starter.
Some yes, but most, I disagree. I do agree that it didn't help Weiland to sit in Boston on the bench as much as he did. My contention about replacing Wake, was that Wake actually did pretty good his first 10-12 starts (the period of Miller and Weiland's choices)...AND was doing better than Lackey (the real guy that could or should have been replaced).
Red Sox need extreme focus and attention to proper method and time investment in developing young pitchers on the farm. No excuse for not having established at least one bottom tier starters with 2nd full season sample ERA under 5. Inepstein was totally incompetent in most facets, and was not the architect of value and production.
Again, since Buch and lester, we really haven't had any MLB ready starting pitchers worthy of starting on a competitive team like ours. I'm still not sure we will in 2012 either. Only Wilson seems mature enough, but I never hear him mentioned as a call up. Miller has had ample chances to prove himself, go back to the minors and "work on things", but has the same old issues and the same exact numbers as before. Weiland never showed me anything. He was clearly an emergency call-up, not a chosen as ML ready starter.