Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston

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    Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston

    I am really shocked we haven't seen the V of old? Have theSox muzzled him? Has he changed? I didn't expect what we are seeing from V. His handling of the bullpen was expected Where is the lineup shuffling? Where is the aggression on the base paths? Why isnt Agon batting 6th to maybe jump start him Where is the public call out that poor play isn't going to be tolerated ( Ross play in RF the other night needed to be said, that type of play isn't going to be to.erated) I think V handled Beckett and golf correctly, it really was much ado about nothing except for the media. But where is the V that doesn't tolerate mistake on the field that need to be called out? I thought this team wasn't going to be coddled by the manager? The days of silence or private conversations over on field mistakes were over? Why isnt V being V? Is he happy not being V?
     
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    As long as V = Victories he's good with me.  To your point, it does seem like somebody upstairs had a chat with him about toning things down.  Fine by me.
     
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    Sox can't get complacent that mistakes will be tolerated, and at the moment, mistakes aren't ovcome with talent as Sox are depleted with injury. I count 5-6 games lost due to poor defense, balks, base running issues. This cantbe overlooked if the Sox expect to be in the post season. V never let these things slide, which is why he wore out his welcome everywhere, but his teams stopped making the same mistakes. Look, if you win, things can be over looked, and Tito would still be manager. But Sox haven't won in 2 years. V was brought in to change the culture. Seems he isn't doing it? Why?
     
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    The Sox are playing better fundamental baseball than in years. 
    You don't call a man out for a misplay in the field unless it's mental. Ross did not make a mental mistake. Still best to do it in private -- but there are exceptions.
    The Sox are running more than in the recent past. The club does not have an abundance of speed.
    BV has calmed down, even in dealing with umpires. Hard to see that this is a bad thing. 
    BV does shift his lineup around, but Gonzalez is not quite at the point where he should be dropped to 6th. 
    BV has been slowly taking over this team, and it's coming together. But it is still without the LFer, Cfer, 3rd baseman, and closer who were supposed to be in the lineup.
    BV can't win with some people. If he's judicious, he doesn't have enough fire. If he's fiery, he's not judicious enough. 
    Why don't we just let him do his job as he sees fit.

     
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    Managers need to adjust to the circumstances.  I'm guessing he likes to bunt and we even saw some squeeze bunts in spring training, but not in the regular season.  Why?  Because since John Henry became the owner all managers have had to take a blood oath not to bunt more often than semi-annually.  Unless, of course, it makes sense to bunt. 

    I do not think managers have a major influence on how the players execute on the field of play. They got it or they don't.  They will make mistakes and even bonehead plays which managers are powerless to prevent.

    But I do think they have to make tough choices on when to take a starter out and who and for how long needs to relieve.  I think he's done that better so far than I remember Francona doing it.  Last night he took Doubront out just in time, and the bullpen was once again pretty good (despite that one run, I think in the 8th). 

    In fact, the bullpen without Pap, Bard, Melancon, and Bailey, is far better than we had any right to expect.  Credit to both Bobby V and his pitching coach.  Now if they can only eliminate those balks. 

    I think he made the right call--which was no call--on Beckett's golf outing. Only ESPN and the Boston sportswriters and few of us thought that was a big deal. I did not. I wish he hadn't talked about Youk, but also think he was not trying to throw him under any bus.  Youk and especially Pedroia over-reacted in my opinion.   

    He seems at ease coming up with all those different lineups and using lots of different players.  I think the Sox have to date played more different guys than any other team in MLB. 

    He has said he expects to be evaluated on wins and losses, which is exactly what he should say.  If the Sox make the playoffs, he's good for another year. If not, he could be out even though I think he is a keeper.
     
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    In Response to Re: Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston:
    [QUOTE]The Sox are playing better fundamental baseball than in years.  You don't call a man out for a misplay in the field unless it's mental. Ross did not make a mental mistake. Still best to do it in private -- but there are exceptions. The Sox are running more than in the recent past. The club does not have an abundance of speed. BV has calmed down, even in dealing with umpires. Hard to see that this is a bad thing.  BV does shift his lineup around, but Gonzalez is not quite at the point where he should be dropped to 6th.  BV has been slowly taking over this team, and it's coming together. But it is still without the LFer, Cfer, 3rd baseman, and closer who were supposed to be in the lineup. BV can't win with some people. If he's judicious, he doesn't have enough fire. If he's fiery, he's not judicious enough.  Why don't we just let him do his job as he sees fit.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    X,
    "why don't we just let him do his job as he sees fit".....

    thats the point...it appears V is not doing the job as he has seen fit in the past. My question is why?
     
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    I'm amazed he's been able to maintain his composure. He's either mellowed or been put on a short leash.

    I would love to see him get fired up though. You just don't see that enough any more with hardly any of the managers, despite the abysmal umpiring going on.
     
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    In Response to Re: Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston : X, "why don't we just let him do his job as he sees fit"..... thats the point...it appears V is not doing the job as he has seen fit in the past. My question is why?
    Posted by rkarp[/QUOTE]

    Why?  Perhaps the Sox looked at his career - never finishing in 1st place in MLB - and decided that while they saw some things in him they liked they thought some changes were required to succeed.

    Or maybe he realised that himself.
     
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    Also, just because he was out of the majors for a decade doesn't mean he was out of baseball.  He was a very succesful manager in Japan.  And, he says himself that his experience there changed him as a person and also change his approach to baseball.  He has had a journey that many don't pay attention to because they think of him as having been out of the game for a long time.  no the Japanese leagues aren't the majors, but they play great baseball there and the fans take their baseball really serious.  So, he was still managing at the highest level, only in a different culture that in many ways chafed with the old Bobby V, as a person and a baseball man.  So, he adapted and learned in both respects.  And also, by virtue of experience, improved his managing.
     
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    This is the real Bobby V. Were you expecting miracles?
     
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    In Response to Re: Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston : X, "why don't we just let him do his job as he sees fit"..... thats the point...it appears V is not doing the job as he has seen fit in the past. My question is why?
    Posted by rkarp[/QUOTE]
    As he saw fit in the last, he got into lots of hot water without too much to show for it. The man is 63. He's had a lot of life experience since he last managed in the US. For now, we have to believe that he is managing how he prefers ( and with a little advice ), and he's doing quite well with makeshift lineups. 
    Umpires know his old reputation. Perhaps he is leery of giving them any excuse for screwing him -- and his team. He's always been accused of "making it all about him." Right now he seems fully concentrated upon his ball club. I'll go for that.
    Things can change, of course, but at the moment BV is showing some maturity.
    He inherited a tough situation, and injuries have made it worse. Truth is, the players who tanked in September should be on trial not the manager. That's why I think that Pedey's crack about Japan and "how we do things" was at least wrong-headed. How they did things was to blow a nine-game lead for the wild card. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Where's the real V and will we ever see him in Boston:
    [QUOTE]Also, just because he was out of the majors for a decade doesn't mean he was out of baseball.  He was a very succesful manager in Japan.  And, he says himself that his experience there changed him as a person and also change his approach to baseball.  He has had a journey that many don't pay attention to because they think of him as having been out of the game for a long time.  no the Japanese leagues aren't the majors, but they play great baseball there and the fans take their baseball really serious.  So, he was still managing at the highest level, only in a different culture that in many ways chafed with the old Bobby V, as a person and a baseball man.  So, he adapted and learned in both respects.  And also, by virtue of experience, improved his managing.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    I was waiting for someone to point that out spaceman.  I was not concerned with Bobby V at all because hasn't been out of the game that long if you look at his Japanese resume' too.  And he brought a team there its first championship in a long time, kind of like our Francona story.  I think Bobby V is just now starting to settle in a little bit.  Its just now starting to become his team and not the mess that FRancona and Theo left.  I believe he has figure this team out to a degree and moving forward the team will improve as it gets healthier.  I already see the handling of the bull pen has improved and V is starting to put his stamp on things.  We still have the lingering issues with chicken gate and stuff like that but I am going to wait and see how things shake out under the Vman.

     
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