will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

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    Not in the WS, they did in however beat the 2004 Yankees, who out spent the Sox by 57M that year or more than 14 clubs spent on thier total payroll in 2004...

    In our 3 WS years, the NYY outspent us by $196M.

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    In your 3 WS years the Sox outspent their opponents by roughly $180M

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    And won.

     
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    Not in the WS, they did in however beat the 2004 Yankees, who out spent the Sox by 57M that year or more than 14 clubs spent on thier total payroll in 2004...

    In our 3 WS years, the NYY outspent us by $196M.

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    In your 3 WS years the Sox outspent their opponents by roughly $180M

    [/QUOTE] Yanks/Sox payroll.... the one subject harder to kill than Jason and Freddy combined Tongue Out


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    And almost as scary ...

     
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    Not in the WS, they did in however beat the 2004 Yankees, who out spent the Sox by 57M that year or more than 14 clubs spent on thier total payroll in 2004...

    In our 3 WS years, the NYY outspent us by $196M.

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    In your 3 WS years the Sox outspent their opponents by roughly $180M

    [/QUOTE] Yanks/Sox payroll.... the one subject harder to kill than Jason and Freddy combined Tongue Out


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    And almost as scary ...

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    And some how, strangely attracted to each other ....

     

     
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    Not in the WS, they did in however beat the 2004 Yankees, who out spent the Sox by 57M that year or more than 14 clubs spent on thier total payroll in 2004...

    In our 3 WS years, the NYY outspent us by $196M.

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    In your 3 WS years the Sox outspent their opponents by roughly $180M

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    Defensive spending.  It is a lot easier going with $90M when you rneighbor is spending $100M.

    When your neighbor is spending $246,000,000, $90M won't cut it no matter how much smarter you are.

     
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    Ahhh, such a nice reality after 2012 .....

        Ells will be missed but I cannot for the life of me think of a single Sox fan that understood Boras's prize free agent wasn't going elsewhere.  The key here is Boras.  Do I hold it against Jacoby now for taking the traitor bait?  Nope.  I've matured too.  I hated Johnny Damon for doing it ... but that was after the emotional pinnacle of a lifetime of Sox fandom.  As many of my brother (and sister) posters here pointed out  - it's business. 

        I wish no harm on the new NYY traitor.  I am not convinced of his sturdiness, but on all other fronts, he's a gem.  (Notice, traitor usage is still appropriate, but I don't hold it as an ill will.  Heck, Jake did say thank you to the Sox and fans very nicely.)

        Reading a recent story about Gardner's reaction - he was quite surprised and not in a good way that the Yanquis signed Ellsbury ....

        But ... Ellsbury was not staying ... it wasn't as if he was making overtures to stay a Red Sox.  He was primed to go and we all knew it.

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    I wasn't expecting Ellsbury back, but I also was not expecting him to sign with the EE.  Like you though, I have no hard feelings against him for signing with him.  We knew he was going where the money was.  That said, I'm going to find it hard watching him play in pinstripes.

    I still haven't forgiven Damon though.  IMO, he sold out.

     

     
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    Comparing the 2013 Yankees with a 100% healthy 2014 Yankees is not practical, but it is a starting point to guage potential. Then one can scale back expectations based on various levels of projected health issues.

        

    C: 

    2013: .587 (335 PAs Stewart .565/145 Romine .564/61 Cervelli .877/25 Murphy)

    2014:  ~.800+     McCann/Cervelli

    +100 easily

     

    1B:

    2013: .690 (454 Overbay .692/ 83 M Reynolds .878/ 58 Tex .609)

    2014: ~.790+     Teixeira/ K Johnson

    + 100

     

    2B:

    2013: .905 (656 Camo/ 27 Adams .630)

    2014:  ~.650     B Ryan/B Roberts/ E Nunez

    - 150

     

    SS:

    2013: .598 (273 Nunez .658/ 176 Nix .620/ 62 Ryan /55 Jete /44 Brignac)

    2014:  .750+    Jeter/B Ryan (all year)/ E Nunez

    +150

     

    3B:

    2013: .633 (123 Nix/ 115 ARod/ 112 Adams/88 Youk/56 Nunez/42 Cruz)

    2014: .730+    K Johnson/B Ryan

    +100

     

    LF:

    2013: .692  (290 Wells .598/ 206 Soriano .978/95 Almonte .624/46 Grandy)

    2014:  .790+    Garner/Soriano

    +100

     

    CF:

    2013: .791 (596 Gardner .772/93 Grandy .814/38 Suzuki)

    2014: .790+    Ellsbury/Garner/Suzuki

    Even

     

    RF:

    2013: .655 (465 Suzuki/ 67 Wells/ 43 Boesch/39 Grandy)

    2014:  .850+    Beltran/Suzuki

    +200

    DH:

    2013: .583 (289 Hafner/ 78 Wells/65 ARod/63 Grandy/36 Soriano)

    2014:  .830+  Sorinao/Beltran/Jeter/McCann

    +250

     

    Come on Sox fans- not seeing the enormous potential for massive gains on offense is wishful thinking or complete blindness. There's a chance for close to a 100 point gain per position on average.

     

     

    SP

    2013:

    GS  IP

    32 211 Sabathia  14-13  4.78

    32 201 Kuroda    11-13  3.31

    30 185 Pettitte   11-11  3.74

    29 145 Hughes   4-14   4.95

    20 128 I Nova    8-6   3.17

    12   66  Phelps   5-4  4.93

    3    17  Nuno  1-1  2.12

    2      8  Huff   0-1  10.80

    2      8  Warren 1-0  2,,25

     

    2014:

    32  210 Sabathia

    32  200 Kuroda

    30  190 Tanaka

    29  180 Nova

    29  170 Phelps

    10  50  Pineda, Warren, & Nuno

    Tanaka over Pettitte is hard to call, but more starts by Nova and Phelps should be better than what Hughes and others gave in 2013.

     

    RP

    2013:

    IP  WHIP

    69 1.46 Warren

    66 1.04 Robertson

    64 1.05 Rivera

    53 1.31 Kelley

    50 1.29 Claiborne

    42 1.74 Chamberlain

    39 1.18 Logan

    26 0.87 Huff

    21 1.43 Phelps

    12 1.67 Marshall

    2014: Robertson, Kelley, Claiborne, Cabral, Betances, Banuelos, Campos

    Losing Mo hurts badly- no doubt, but losing Joba is an addition by subtraction. I also do not think the yanks are done stocking their pen before ST.

     

    To me, the Yankee offense will be much much better, even if some of the older players get hurt a little more than the norm (but not as much as 2013).

    The rotation should be better and the pen probably worse.

    This team should win 90-95 games with moderate injuries.

    -681 PAs by Cano .899

    -486 PAs Overbay .639

    -458 PAs V Wells .631

    -340 PAs Stewart .566

    -299 PAs Hafner .679

    -245 PAs Grandy .723

    -181 PAs ARod  .771

    -152 PAs Adams .537

    -120 PAs Reynolds .755

    -118 PAs Youkilis .648

    Less PAs by...

    555 Suzuki .639

    336 Nunez .679

    303 Nix .619

    148 Romine .551

    More PAs by

    Teixeira .608

    Jeter  .542

    Soriano .850

    Cervelli .877

    B Ryan .563

     

    Added PAs:

    700+ Ellsbury

    650+ Beltran

    550+ McCann

    500+ K Johnson

    200+ B Roberts

     

    Pitching:

    -185 IP Pettitte

    -146 Hughes

    -64 Rivera

    -42 Joba

    -39 Logan

    More IP by...

    Nova & Phelps

    Additions:

    Tanaka, Pineda, Banuelos & Campos

     

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     Why am I not surprised that that this thoughtful and thorough analysis by Moon is treated like it was radioactive (no comments), and the conversation immediately shifts to the off thread, dead horse dialogue of the "Yankees spend too much"; "Well, so do the Sox"; No, the Yanks spend more!" ad nauseam. Nice work, Moon.  

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    Thanks. I was a bit surprised by the total lack of responses to the data I provided.

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

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    Comparing the 2013 Yankees with a 100% healthy 2014 Yankees is not practical, but it is a starting point to guage potential. Then one can scale back expectations based on various levels of projected health issues.

        

    C: 

    2013: .587 (335 PAs Stewart .565/145 Romine .564/61 Cervelli .877/25 Murphy)

    2014:  ~.800+     McCann/Cervelli

    +100 easily

     

    1B:

    2013: .690 (454 Overbay .692/ 83 M Reynolds .878/ 58 Tex .609)

    2014: ~.790+     Teixeira/ K Johnson

    + 100

     

    2B:

    2013: .905 (656 Camo/ 27 Adams .630)

    2014:  ~.650     B Ryan/B Roberts/ E Nunez

    - 150

     

    SS:

    2013: .598 (273 Nunez .658/ 176 Nix .620/ 62 Ryan /55 Jete /44 Brignac)

    2014:  .750+    Jeter/B Ryan (all year)/ E Nunez

    +150

     

    3B:

    2013: .633 (123 Nix/ 115 ARod/ 112 Adams/88 Youk/56 Nunez/42 Cruz)

    2014: .730+    K Johnson/B Ryan

    +100

     

    LF:

    2013: .692  (290 Wells .598/ 206 Soriano .978/95 Almonte .624/46 Grandy)

    2014:  .790+    Garner/Soriano

    +100

     

    CF:

    2013: .791 (596 Gardner .772/93 Grandy .814/38 Suzuki)

    2014: .790+    Ellsbury/Garner/Suzuki

    Even

     

    RF:

    2013: .655 (465 Suzuki/ 67 Wells/ 43 Boesch/39 Grandy)

    2014:  .850+    Beltran/Suzuki

    +200

    DH:

    2013: .583 (289 Hafner/ 78 Wells/65 ARod/63 Grandy/36 Soriano)

    2014:  .830+  Sorinao/Beltran/Jeter/McCann

    +250

     

    Come on Sox fans- not seeing the enormous potential for massive gains on offense is wishful thinking or complete blindness. There's a chance for close to a 100 point gain per position on average.

     

     

    SP

    2013:

    GS  IP

    32 211 Sabathia  14-13  4.78

    32 201 Kuroda    11-13  3.31

    30 185 Pettitte   11-11  3.74

    29 145 Hughes   4-14   4.95

    20 128 I Nova    8-6   3.17

    12   66  Phelps   5-4  4.93

    3    17  Nuno  1-1  2.12

    2      8  Huff   0-1  10.80

    2      8  Warren 1-0  2,,25

     

    2014:

    32  210 Sabathia

    32  200 Kuroda

    30  190 Tanaka

    29  180 Nova

    29  170 Phelps

    10  50  Pineda, Warren, & Nuno

    Tanaka over Pettitte is hard to call, but more starts by Nova and Phelps should be better than what Hughes and others gave in 2013.

     

    RP

    2013:

    IP  WHIP

    69 1.46 Warren

    66 1.04 Robertson

    64 1.05 Rivera

    53 1.31 Kelley

    50 1.29 Claiborne

    42 1.74 Chamberlain

    39 1.18 Logan

    26 0.87 Huff

    21 1.43 Phelps

    12 1.67 Marshall

    2014: Robertson, Kelley, Claiborne, Cabral, Betances, Banuelos, Campos

    Losing Mo hurts badly- no doubt, but losing Joba is an addition by subtraction. I also do not think the yanks are done stocking their pen before ST.

     

    To me, the Yankee offense will be much much better, even if some of the older players get hurt a little more than the norm (but not as much as 2013).

    The rotation should be better and the pen probably worse.

    This team should win 90-95 games with moderate injuries.

    -681 PAs by Cano .899

    -486 PAs Overbay .639

    -458 PAs V Wells .631

    -340 PAs Stewart .566

    -299 PAs Hafner .679

    -245 PAs Grandy .723

    -181 PAs ARod  .771

    -152 PAs Adams .537

    -120 PAs Reynolds .755

    -118 PAs Youkilis .648

    Less PAs by...

    555 Suzuki .639

    336 Nunez .679

    303 Nix .619

    148 Romine .551

    More PAs by

    Teixeira .608

    Jeter  .542

    Soriano .850

    Cervelli .877

    B Ryan .563

     

    Added PAs:

    700+ Ellsbury

    650+ Beltran

    550+ McCann

    500+ K Johnson

    200+ B Roberts

     

    Pitching:

    -185 IP Pettitte

    -146 Hughes

    -64 Rivera

    -42 Joba

    -39 Logan

    More IP by...

    Nova & Phelps

    Additions:

    Tanaka, Pineda, Banuelos & Campos

     


     Why am I not surprised that that this thoughtful and thorough analysis by Moon is treated like it was radioactive (no comments), and the conversation immediately shifts to the off thread, dead horse dialogue of the "Yankees spend too much"; "Well, so do the Sox"; No, the Yanks spend more!" ad nauseam. Nice work, Moon.  

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    Thanks. I was a bit surprised by the total lack of responses to the data I provided.

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    You shouldn't be surprised. For my money, you're the smartest guy in the room and you don't have an ax to grind which makes you even smarter. There was no response because it's a nightmare Sox fan scenario and your analysis was too good to take issue with.

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    I'll be honest, I ignored the post at first until it was pointed out again.  Kinda hit me like a wall of text, when I was expecting an easy read (based on the topic).  But, I went back up to it after it was pointed back to. The information is very good Moon (and I must admit, it backs up the somewhat sinking feeling I have that this will be a battle in the trenches again this year).  You may however want to split a post like that into several posts in the future, like one for each area (lineup, SP, BP), because I'll be honest, I did just kinda say, "god no", and skip it at first myself.

     
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    Not in the WS, they did in however beat the 2004 Yankees, who out spent the Sox by 57M that year or more than 14 clubs spent on thier total payroll in 2004...

    In our 3 WS years, the NYY outspent us by $196M.

     



    In your 3 WS years the Sox outspent their opponents by roughly $180M

     

     




    JIM, the Sox are required to act like a big market team because of their rivals from the south.  This is proven by the O's not spending and not being able to get to the playoffs...the Rays are also in this plight, but they had very high draft choices during the miserable years that have matured to the MLB level allowing them to be competitive without the payroll.

    Hey Dog, 

    The Sox are not required to spend or act like a big market club. They could like Toronto & Baltimore just sit back and reap millions in profits, while playing second fiddle to the mighty cash rich Yanks of New York. Make no mistake about it, it is the financial resources afforded the Yankee management, due to playing in the largest single market in the USA that enables them to spend lavishly in the interest of creating an international brand. One that solicits the support of the region. Lost in almost every discussion about payroll is the whys, team spend to field a team to capture the resources generated by thier fans filing seats, buying souveniers and getting those that don't come to the park to turn on the TV...

     George Steinbrenner in the interest of the franchise value. Understood early in his tenure after buying the team. That winning on the field was essential to the top line sales and further winning championships was essential in reestablishing the Yankee brand to unlock the vault. End of the day George Steinbrenner was a business man, not some benevolent doer of good deeds...He spent in the interest of profits, by investing capital to rebuild the brand. In 1972 he purchased the team and all of it's assets for 10 million dollars, today his Yankees are worth in excess of 2 billion dollars. Make no mistake about it, timing is everything and the advent of free agency soon after his buying the team played a key role in his being able to expiditiuosly rebuild the product on the field. The resources at his disposal gave him the capital to take advantage of the free market and served as a competitive advantage for decades to come...

    In 2002 when Henry (who was a minority owner with the Yankees), Werner and Luccino's group purchased the Boston Red Sox Basebal Club of the American League. They saw the potential growth of the Red Sox brand and the untapped resources of the market, essentially followed much the same plan as Steinbrenner. Choosing to invest in the product on the field and the infrasture of the organinzation while creating new revenue steams in the interest of generating the capital nessesary for brand building. To do so they too had to spend to field a championship worthy squad...In 2002 Henry and his group paid 800M to purchase the team and all of its assets, today the franchise is worth in excess of 1.3 billion. 

    In the end the Yankees payroll fits within their financial model with top line sales in excess of 471M annually. The Red Sox top line generates about 336M in revenues. As such the Yankees have an extra 130M to buy more groceries. 

    https://fortress.wa.gov/dor/bls/IBLA/RecordOfFiling.aspx

     
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    You shouldn't be surprised. For my money, you're the smartest guy in the room and you don't have an ax to grind which makes you even smarter. There was no response because it's a nightmare Sox fan scenario and your analysis was too good to take issue with.

    I thought that might be one reason- an average of 100 points gained o0n OPS per 9 slots is scary as H3LL!

    However, i expected Yanks fans to jump on the numbers to show how strong the Yanks look.

     
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    You shouldn't be surprised. For my money, you're the smartest guy in the room and you don't have an ax to grind which makes you even smarter. There was no response because it's a nightmare Sox fan scenario and your analysis was too good to take issue with.



    this is absolutely false.  and in my previous post i explained why.

    @jimmy....i call you Babe because i believe you are the former poster known as the babe.  ALTHOUGH...you are cute little guy so maybe babe fits regardless.

    also 4-1/2 was just a number to convey jeter & texiera. 

    if you dont think texiera was an HGH guy then you are naive.  ever see the funny way the helmet used to sit on his UNUSUALLY ginormous heed.  hence testing killed your 1b.  wihtout the HGH it is much harder to recoup from all these darn injuries that hit you as you get OLD.

     
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    oh...and let's just gloss over the fact that their closer has a total of iirc 8 career saves.

    there isn't an all star closer covering for mo this year like there was a couple years ago when MFY fans like to spew "we did fine without mo before".  this aint before.

     
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    I thought that might be one reason- an average of 100 points gained o0n OPS per 9 slots is scary as H3LL!

    However, i expected Yanks fans to jump on the numbers to show how strong the Yanks look.




     

    I didn't respond because  didn't think it was really U ;-)

    after U failed 2 include jeters range and how they all got older

    I just figured someone hacked into your acct

    but yeah moon

    I appreciated the effort & conclusion

     
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    oh...and let's just gloss over the fact that their closer has a total of iirc 8 career saves.

    and uehara had how many ?................................14

    there isn't an all star closer covering for mo this year like there was a couple years ago when MFY fans like to spew "we did fine without mo before".  this aint before.


    I get it  U R now

    the biggest mo & cano fan

    seems 2 me plenty of teams have won without either

     
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    oh...and let's just gloss over the fact that their closer has a total of iirc 8 career saves.

    and uehara had how many ?................................14

    there isn't an all star closer covering for mo this year like there was a couple years ago when MFY fans like to spew "we did fine without mo before".  this aint before.


    I get it  U R now

    the biggest mo & cano fan

    seems 2 me plenty of teams have won without either

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    of course.  but my point was it is being glossed over by yankees fans (that was my first sentence).  like mo retiring is no big deal.  the organization (and the fanbase) has relied on him for so many years.  i believe you are in for a rude awakening.  yes, of course, this is my opinion. 

    Uehara was crazy lightning in a bottle.  the thing about that is....it doesnt happen very oftern.  is robertson that lightning?  do you really believe that? 

    the fun part is we get to see how it plays out.

    alot of eggs on unproven starter, closer, rehabbed former stars.  odds are that some of them eggs gonna break.....or at least not hatch.

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

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    Comparing the 2013 Yankees with a 100% healthy 2014 Yankees is not practical, but it is a starting point to guage potential. Then one can scale back expectations based on various levels of projected health issues.

        

    C: 

    2013: .587 (335 PAs Stewart .565/145 Romine .564/61 Cervelli .877/25 Murphy)

    2014:  ~.800+     McCann/Cervelli

    +100 easily

     

    1B:

    2013: .690 (454 Overbay .692/ 83 M Reynolds .878/ 58 Tex .609)

    2014: ~.790+     Teixeira/ K Johnson

    + 100

     

    2B:

    2013: .905 (656 Camo/ 27 Adams .630)

    2014:  ~.650     B Ryan/B Roberts/ E Nunez

    - 150

     

    SS:

    2013: .598 (273 Nunez .658/ 176 Nix .620/ 62 Ryan /55 Jete /44 Brignac)

    2014:  .750+    Jeter/B Ryan (all year)/ E Nunez

    +150

     

    3B:

    2013: .633 (123 Nix/ 115 ARod/ 112 Adams/88 Youk/56 Nunez/42 Cruz)

    2014: .730+    K Johnson/B Ryan

    +100

     

    LF:

    2013: .692  (290 Wells .598/ 206 Soriano .978/95 Almonte .624/46 Grandy)

    2014:  .790+    Garner/Soriano

    +100

     

    CF:

    2013: .791 (596 Gardner .772/93 Grandy .814/38 Suzuki)

    2014: .790+    Ellsbury/Garner/Suzuki

    Even

     

    RF:

    2013: .655 (465 Suzuki/ 67 Wells/ 43 Boesch/39 Grandy)

    2014:  .850+    Beltran/Suzuki

    +200

    DH:

    2013: .583 (289 Hafner/ 78 Wells/65 ARod/63 Grandy/36 Soriano)

    2014:  .830+  Sorinao/Beltran/Jeter/McCann

    +250

     

    Come on Sox fans- not seeing the enormous potential for massive gains on offense is wishful thinking or complete blindness. There's a chance for close to a 100 point gain per position on average.

     

     

    SP

    2013:

    GS  IP

    32 211 Sabathia  14-13  4.78

    32 201 Kuroda    11-13  3.31

    30 185 Pettitte   11-11  3.74

    29 145 Hughes   4-14   4.95

    20 128 I Nova    8-6   3.17

    12   66  Phelps   5-4  4.93

    3    17  Nuno  1-1  2.12

    2      8  Huff   0-1  10.80

    2      8  Warren 1-0  2,,25

     

    2014:

    32  210 Sabathia

    32  200 Kuroda

    30  190 Tanaka

    29  180 Nova

    29  170 Phelps

    10  50  Pineda, Warren, & Nuno

    Tanaka over Pettitte is hard to call, but more starts by Nova and Phelps should be better than what Hughes and others gave in 2013.

     

    RP

    2013:

    IP  WHIP

    69 1.46 Warren

    66 1.04 Robertson

    64 1.05 Rivera

    53 1.31 Kelley

    50 1.29 Claiborne

    42 1.74 Chamberlain

    39 1.18 Logan

    26 0.87 Huff

    21 1.43 Phelps

    12 1.67 Marshall

    2014: Robertson, Kelley, Claiborne, Cabral, Betances, Banuelos, Campos

    Losing Mo hurts badly- no doubt, but losing Joba is an addition by subtraction. I also do not think the yanks are done stocking their pen before ST.

     

    To me, the Yankee offense will be much much better, even if some of the older players get hurt a little more than the norm (but not as much as 2013).

    The rotation should be better and the pen probably worse.

    This team should win 90-95 games with moderate injuries.

    -681 PAs by Cano .899

    -486 PAs Overbay .639

    -458 PAs V Wells .631

    -340 PAs Stewart .566

    -299 PAs Hafner .679

    -245 PAs Grandy .723

    -181 PAs ARod  .771

    -152 PAs Adams .537

    -120 PAs Reynolds .755

    -118 PAs Youkilis .648

    Less PAs by...

    555 Suzuki .639

    336 Nunez .679

    303 Nix .619

    148 Romine .551

    More PAs by

    Teixeira .608

    Jeter  .542

    Soriano .850

    Cervelli .877

    B Ryan .563

     

    Added PAs:

    700+ Ellsbury

    650+ Beltran

    550+ McCann

    500+ K Johnson

    200+ B Roberts

     

    Pitching:

    -185 IP Pettitte

    -146 Hughes

    -64 Rivera

    -42 Joba

    -39 Logan

    More IP by...

    Nova & Phelps

    Additions:

    Tanaka, Pineda, Banuelos & Campos

     

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    Well done but would disagree on some of your projections offensively unless expecting most to have career type yrs?

    C - 800 no problem here. McCann in that park.

    1B - 790 Tex this might be high. Every yr since 08 Tex's OPS has dropped and was at 807 his last full season. Coming off missed season wrist injury, plus others at this position 790 too high for me. See Papi / WMB for seasons following wrist injury.

    2B - 650 from B.Roberts/B.Ryan also a bit optimistic. Roberts has been trending down since 07 and can he stay on field at 37? Ryan 550 not going to help? anything Nunez gives you you can take away w/ his glove.

    SS - 750 Jeter / Ryan. Jeter has been below this # 3 of last 4 seasons and Ryan not going to help w/ his 550

    3B - 730 Johnson / Ryan. Again Johnson has been below this # 3 of last 4 seasons and Ryan will not help bring it up.

    CF - 790 Ells very doable in that park. But remember his 11 season is what brings his OPS up to 790 range for career. 5 of 7 seasons has been below that number.

    RF - 850 Beltran / Suzuki If just Beltran even at his age 37 season might be doable, but Suzuki w/ his 600's 5 of last 7 will drag this # down.

    DH - 830 Soriano / Beltran. Soriano 3 of last 5 been in 700's. Beltran will probably help bring this # up. But Beltran has stated he doesn't like to DH.

    While I think the park will help many of these hitters. Lets not forget your asking a lot of 30+ players to have carrer norm type yr's. Soriano /Jeter/Tex/Beltran/Johnson/Suzuki we all know thats not going to happen.

    As for the pitching. Rotation will be improved especially if they get anything from Pineda. Tanaka IMO will be very good. But CC / Kuroda big unknowns going into this season, they could be good but would anyone be surprised if they were very bad, age + IP could have taken its toll. Bullpen could be this teams achilles heal, not only have they lost the games best closer but also one of its better setup men.

    IMO Yanks are aprox a 90 win team, maybe 92. If they add somemore pitching then I think AL East will need to be more concerned. Lets face it RS and Yanks will probably score aprox the same amount of runs this yr. But whose pitching staff or defense would you rather have? Yanks have too many ?'s for me right now, could everything break right like it did last yr for RS = slight posibility but not likely. I've stated that RS won't repeat this yr. too much went right last yr + breaking in some new young players. But still believe RS are in a much better position than Yanks to win in future. To me Yanks are like 08 when they spent all that $ and were rewarded, this yr to many problems that need fixing and if Yanks don't win this yr with all that age and $ will be very difficult moving forward.

     

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    there isn't an all star closer covering for mo this year like there was a couple years ago when MFY fans like to spew "we did fine without mo before".  this aint before.

    maybe semantics here

    but robertson was an AS

    of course.  but my point was it is being glossed over by yankees fans (that was my first sentence).  like mo retiring is no big deal.  the organization (and the fanbase) has relied on him for so many years.  i believe you are in for a rude awakening.  yes, of course, this is my opinion. 

     

    honestly    my concerns R more about not replacing robby yet than mo

    IMO mo's greatness was more about how long he was one of the best

    not so much being the best in 1 particular yr

    and while I'm being honest

    I won't miss watching him vs the sox

     

     

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    Well done but would disagree on some of your projections offensively unless expecting most to have career type yrs?

    C - 800 no problem here. McCann in that park.

    1B - 790 Tex this might be high. Every yr since 08 Tex's OPS has dropped and was at 807 his last full season. Coming off missed season wrist injury, plus others at this position 790 too high for me. See Papi / WMB for seasons following wrist injury.

    2B - 650 from B.Roberts/B.Ryan also a bit optimistic. Roberts has been trending down since 07 and can he stay on field at 37? Ryan 550 not going to help? anything Nunez gives you you can take away w/ his glove.

    SS - 750 Jeter / Ryan. Jeter has been below this # 3 of last 4 seasons and Ryan not going to help w/ his 550

    3B - 730 Johnson / Ryan. Again Johnson has been below this # 3 of last 4 seasons and Ryan will not help bring it up.

    CF - 790 Ells very doable in that park. But remember his 11 season is what brings his OPS up to 790 range for career. 5 of 7 seasons has been below that number.

    RF - 850 Beltran / Suzuki If just Beltran even at his age 37 season might be doable, but Suzuki w/ his 600's 5 of last 7 will drag this # down.

    DH - 830 Soriano / Beltran. Soriano 3 of last 5 been in 700's. Beltran will probably help bring this # up. But Beltran has stated he doesn't like to DH.

    While I think the park will help many of these hitters. Lets not forget your asking a lot of 30+ players to have carrer norm type yr's. Soriano /Jeter/Tex/Beltran/Johnson/Suzuki we all know thats not going to happen.

    Fair enough. I'm pretty certain at least 2 or 3 of these will come below my numbers, but nevertheless, the potential is there for my numbers to come true (one-by one). Maybe an average 75 point gain per position is more realistic, but that in and of itself is a huge gain from 2013.

     

    As for the pitching. Rotation will be improved especially if they get anything from Pineda. Tanaka IMO will be very good. But CC / Kuroda big unknowns going into this season, they could be good but would anyone be surprised if they were very bad, age + IP could have taken its toll. Bullpen could be this teams achilles heal, not only have they lost the games best closer but also one of its better setup men.

    I thyink the Yanks will add pen arms.

     

    IMO Yanks are aprox a 90 win team, maybe 92. If they add somemore pitching then I think AL East will need to be more concerned. Lets face it RS and Yanks will probably score aprox the same amount of runs this yr. But whose pitching staff or defense would you rather have? Yanks have too many ?'s for me right now, could everything break right like it did last yr for RS = slight posibility but not likely. I've stated that RS won't repeat this yr. too much went right last yr + breaking in some new young players. But still believe RS are in a much better position than Yanks to win in future. To me Yanks are like 08 when they spent all that $ and were rewarded, this yr to many problems that need fixing and if Yanks don't win this yr with all that age and $ will be very difficult moving forward.

    I think more like 92-95 wins, but I agree with your points here.

     

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    As a lifetime Red Sox fan, I never underestimate the Yankees.  To do so is an exercise in futility as they can do things that other teams (besides the Dodgers now) can do because of their financial advantages. 

    I think the lineup for the Yankees is much more balanced this year.  I think the rotation is also a bit better.  The thing is, the Yankees record did not show the real story about last season.  Even though the Yanks finished in 3rd place in the division... the record they had could have been much worse.

    I think the Sox are going to be a bit worse than last year and also finished better than expected.  I am pegging the Sox at 88-94 wins right now and the Yankees at 80-86 wins.  Even though the Yankees appear to have a better team, their Pythagorean expectation says that they should have not even been a 500 team.  I think Mariano was the cause of that better than expected result.  Since that is the case and I expect the Yanks to be a bit better... I still expect them to finish with around the same record beause the pythagorean should even out.

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    Not in the WS, they did in however beat the 2004 Yankees, who out spent the Sox by 57M that year or more than 14 clubs spent on thier total payroll in 2004...

    In our 3 WS years, the NYY outspent us by $196M.




    how much did the sox out spend their WS opponents

     

    Payroll and wins: The past five years

    sox 8th in wins 2nd in payroll

    nyy 1st in both

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    The past 10 years. we are 2nd in payroll, 2nd in wins, and 1st in WSC.

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    BINGO!!!!!!

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

                  BINGO!!!!!!

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    Thanks. I was a bit surprised by the total lack of responses to the data I provided.

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    You shouldn't be surprised. For my money, you're the smartest guy in the room and you don't have an ax to grind which makes you even smarter. There was no response because it's a nightmare Sox fan scenario and your analysis was too good to take issue with.

    One of the issues was that there was a mistake in the math at 2B.  That should've been -250, not -150.

    The second issue is that .850+ out of Beltran would be pretty hard.  The number of position players iwth 500 PAs and > .800 OPS

    • 2013 -0-
    • 2012 -0-
    • 2011 Chipper .814
    • 2010 -0-

    It could happen, but over 4 years, one guy out of the entire 37+ universe had an OPS of even .814.  So Beltran is probably 50 points too high.  It's too high on DH as well.  If Soriano is you rprimary DH, and has a .785 over the past 5 years, you're unlikely to get a .830.  But feel free to skip this one.

    If you adjust for those first two, the total addition is about 600 points.  Divide by 10 players, including the bench, and the NYY OPS increases by ~ 60, up to .743.  We were at .795 last year.

    I'm not having nightmares over that.

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

    Thanks. I was a bit surprised by the total lack of responses to the data I provided.



    You shouldn't be surprised. For my money, you're the smartest guy in the room and you don't have an ax to grind which makes you even smarter. There was no response because it's a nightmare Sox fan scenario and your analysis was too good to take issue with.

    One of the issues was that there was a mistake in the math at 2B.  That should've been -250, not -150.

    The second issue is that .850+ out of Beltran would be pretty hard.  The number of position players iwth 500 PAs and > .800 OPS

    • 2013 -0-
    • 2012 -0-
    • 2011 Chipper .814
    • 2010 -0-

    It could happen, but over 4 years, one guy out of the entire 37+ universe had an OPS of even .814.  So Beltran is probably 50 points too high.  It's too high on DH as well.  If Soriano is you rprimary DH, and has a .785 over the past 5 years, you're unlikely to get a .830.  But feel free to skip this one.

    If you adjust for those first two, the total addition is about 600 points.  Divide by 10 players, including the bench, and the NYY OPS increases by ~ 60, up to .743.  We were at .795 last year.

    I'm not having nightmares over that.

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    Thanks for catching the mistake at 2B.

    I'm not sure why you divide by 10, since I counted subs at each position, so that would make it about an average 70 point gain per positional 9 slots.

    I'm not sure why .850 for Beltran would be that hard. He's had over 547 PAs for 2 straight years and an OPS of .842 and .830. I'm not sure why it's that big a stretch. 

    I agree, I think I was over on Soriano. I usually look to 3 year numbers more than just one, and I think I got carried away with his 2013 numbers with the Yanks.

    I do think McCann and Cervelli could end up more than .800, Tex and Ellsbury could have a much bigger year than .790, and maybe even 3B could be more, but I won't argue their cases.

    I have no beef with adjusting my numbers downward. I was looking at mostly top end possibilities, and admit some were too high, but even a 60-70 point average gain per 9 positional positions would be a huge boost to the Yankees offense. Granted, their offense last year was not good.

    Let's say it turns out more like this...

    C  .807   +120

    1B .790  +100

    2B .635   -270

    SS .748  +150

    3B .733  +100

    LF .792  +100

    CF .791  +100

    RF .805  +150

    DH .783 +100

    This is a total of +650

    divide by 9 and we're talking about +70 per position on average. 

    That's an enormous gain.

     

     
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    Re: will the Yankees be formidable opponents in 2014

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    I have no beef with adjusting my numbers downward. I was looking at mostly top end possibilities, and admit some were too high, but even a 60-70 point average gain per 9 positional positions would be a huge boost to the Yankees offense. Granted, their offense last year was not good.

    Let's say it turns out more like this...

    C  .807   +120

    This is possible....but McCann has never had 550 AB's in one season...last year he had 356...so if you figure him for 400 and Cervelli for 250 that combined ave might look more like .740

    1B .790  +100

    Texiera's wrist is still bothering him...what if he plays all year and hits 5 HR's...that could happen....I'm not counting on it but I have seen plenty of players have trouble coming back from wrist problems.

    2B .635   -270

    Sounds about right to me...I still don't understand why the M's wanted Cano so bad when they couldn't afford to go get anyone else.

    SS .748  +150

    Counting on another big year from Jeter...it could happen...but at his age and with his injuries it might be tough...even for him.

    3B .733  +100

    Sounds about right...Johnson was in that neighborhood last year but he didn't get full time at bats.

     

    LF .792  +100

    Gardner put up a .760 last year

    CF .791  +100

    This one scares me...Ellsbury playing in Yankee stadium could put up some monster numbers.

    RF .805  +150

    Beltran has been really steady and good for a long time but he is on borrowed time with both knees bad.

    DH .783 +100

    This is a total of +650

    divide by 9 and we're talking about +70 per position on average. 

    That's an enormous gain.

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    That's a best case scenario that Red Sox fans don't want to see happen....but it could. Still with the age and injuries of the Yankee players I would bet some of them don't pan out....but even so their offense should be way improved...and it's going to have to be better because they have added one major question mark in Tanaka with 2 more question marks in CC and Kuroda....if those 3 all pitch well than the Sox will have their hands full if they don't I don't think the yankees will compete.

     

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