Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield
posted at 8/9/2011 1:45 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield
[QUOTE]Prove it Having back surgery is proof enough Look at Wake's WHIP. GS with 3 or less ERs, and ERA in 2008 and up to July of 2009
: they blow 2010's numbers away. The April/May numbers with Lackey this year vastly differ from his time since returning from the DL The sample size is small. Lackey's healthy 2010 season did not meet any levels of pre-2010, except maybe QSs .. . Wake's pct. of giving up 3 ER or less last year are close to this year. If you call 63% to to 56% then OK, but Wake also has 2 games this year with more than 3 ERs that were not legitimate runs. I can't believe you are trying to argue that Wake is pitching as well now as last year, just to make some point about Lackey's underperformance. . Wake was never on the D.L Sox players on the DL may not always be hurt. Players not on the DL can still be pitching hurt. His record was due to poor BP choices by Tito. That and the constant roller-coaster ride to the pen and back. Lackey lost many games last year due to the BP. Lackey's expectations of being a #3/4 starter is a matter of perception , not performance No, Lackey was ahead of Wake to start the year. He was not brought in here to be a #5 or 6 starter. You must be the only person in the world who thinks Theo signed Lackey to be the 5 starter. And, yes performance can change the slot status of a pitcher. If Wake performed just a little worse, he'd be back to #6. Lackey is now the #3 or 4 guy, depending on Bedard's and his next few starts. Wake could throw 3 straight 0 ER games, and still would not start game 3 or 4 of the playoffs.
Posted by moonslav59
We're not talking about 2008/2009.
We are discussing 2010/2011. Wake's ERA/WHIP from last year to this aren't vastly different. At least, not like they were when he was pitching hurt after the 2009 AS game through the end of the season.
If he hadn't been shuffled back and forth last year and poorly deployed, I'm betting his 2010 numbers would equal his current ones, minus W/L record.
He was limping and clearly in pain in the latter half of 2009. He talked about it often. I've not seen or heard him say one word about being in pain in 2010 or 2011. You are only assuming.
You are also assuming
Theo's expectations about Lackey. How the hell do you know what he thinks? What if it was Henry's decision and Theo fought it but lost?
SLOT numbers are for slot players. It's about performance, not who's projected where. Was Josh projected to have a 5+ ERA last year?
Was Buch projected to sit out the 2011 PO's?
UR perception of Lackey's under-performance is based on:
1) Him pitching hurt in April/May. He was DL'ed. That's why he had the cort. shots in his elbow.
2) Your misconception of the kind of pitcher he is. He's the same pitcher he was in CA once adjustments are made. Just as AGONE is from his Petco numbers translating to Fenway.
His WHIP since then is in line with his 2010 numbers, which are in line with his CA numbers once adjusted. His ERA is skewed by one outing. Otherwise, it's similar to 2010. "Being blinded by one stat (ERA) is not an excuse"