Yankees to sign Tanaka

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    Anyplace other than SS for Jeter would be a big boost to the Yanks chances in 2014.

     



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    He was virtually a statue when he was young and healthy.  Can't imagine what he'll be like at 40, coming off an ankle injury.   Then again, I guess you can't really get much worse than "statue".

     

     



    A statue?

     

    Ha ha. One of the 5 greatest SSs of all time.

    Anywhere else but Boston.

     




    I hope you're kiddding, twm

     

     



    Ok top three.

     

     

     



    you forgot the zero, maybe?UndecidedSealed

     

     

     

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    There is only three shortstops all time in the 3k club Honus Wagner, Jeter, Robin Yount and Cal Ripken.

     

    Very likely Jeter will move past Wagner this season into the no.1 sport all time for shortstops.

    Tell me how that he could not be included as in the top 5 shortstops of all time?

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    I'm talking defensively. Kimmi has it right. If you play long enough, you'll get the number of hits. To say he's one of the all time/around best...not even close, IMO

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    Really?

    Yaz is the only RS I know of with 3k.

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    your point is what?

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    Yaz was a great ballplayer, not every player gets 3k just for hanging around,  because they have a long career.

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

    How about Victorino? They paid to fill a need like the Yankees did.

     


    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

     
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    175 million for a guy who projects as a middle of the rotation starter and hasn't thrown 1 pitch in pro ball outside of Japan isn't the "cost of any team seeking starting pitching" 

    Sox drafted a few guys with similiar profiles and ceilings and haven't signed one to a bonus north of 2.75 million. 

     

     



    How do you know where he projects? 24-0 in Japan with less than a 2 era. yes.....24-0 in Japan.  I don't know where he projects any more than you do...I do however follow the scouting community.  And there is a large consensus that that is where he scouts. 

     

     

    I put more faith in the scouts for the teams who pursued him.  Based on what? the Yankee scouting reports you've seen on him? again the international scouting community has slapped a middle of the rotation starter on him (which is still really really good) 

    I heard much of the same about Darvish. Darvish was much more highly regarded than Tanaka, he was when they both pitched in Japan...and he is now as well. 

    Big difference between who the Sox drafted or any team drafted with the new posting rules for japanese free agents. Yes there is....there are more scouts on the ground in the u.s. and there market forces at work as well....if Tanaka was younger and part of a draft he would obviously be paid much less. 

    Did you notice the old system was satisfactory for Dice-K and Darvish that was only until the NY Yankees openly stated they would pursue Tanaka that the enite was changed. Again this is NY narcissism...there isn't a shred of evidence to support this

    The 50 mil the RS bid for Dice was not counted against the RS payroll, neither was the fee for Darvish. I'm fully aware of this, but the money is still spent and has an affect on a teams bottom line.  Ultimately between the posting fee and the 50% luxury tax the deal could end up costing New York north of $250 million dollars. 

    The guy doing all the complaining Frank Coonley GM of the Pirates about the posting system didn't even bid. I really don't care about the GM of the Pirates.  And the new posting system is about every guy coming out of japan moving forward...not this one guy and his relationship to the Yankees needs...again this is NY narcissism. 

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    I'm confused by the answers here.

    Hard to follow. You answered in red and black?

    I will say we all come here with our bias you with yours me with mine.

    I frankly can't understand why so many RS fans are concerned about the cost no one cared about the 50 million dollar phone call to Dice-K.

    Whatever the Yankees spent on Tanaka they'll get back if they get to the post season.

    I Hank said it best yesterday if not for the payroll tax the Yankees would spend 300 mil.

    And that isn't family wealth, revenue put back into the sytem like the old man used to.

    GS maintained you had to put a good product on the field to capture the fans I think the sons agree.

    I post yesterday a quote from KLaw that states Tanaka will be elite from day one.

    He is immediately denounced here as a lunatic his opinion dirt but all the scouts you read, read whay you would like to hear are more reputable?

     

     

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    KLAW is NOT an international scout, find me ONE scout calling him a top of the rotation starter.  Who cares about Dice-K and his posting fee...different system different time I could care less.

     

    My argument is that the Yankees overspent for Tanaka.  If the scouting reports are true, then dollar for dollar compared to every other FA pitcher who has signed in recent years this is a bad deal.

    So the Yankees have the money to eat bad deals, but what happens when they have an over inflated payroll and aren't winning? 

    Every good team, just like very good business is just a few bad decisions away from going down the tubes, and Yankee fans think their team is somehow magically immune from this and get all excited and giddy when their team goes out and maxes out the credit card as if there will be no ramifications.

    The bigger you are the harder you fall...if the Yankees can't drastically improve and miss the playoffs again do you really think they will have bottomless wallets with a payroll that effectively costs them a quarter billion + every years???

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    Overspent?

    It was their money how can you say they over spent?

    That's for them to determine.

    You might think Tanaka is over valued but the Yankees spent what they wanted for a 25 year old pitcher.

     

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    What they wanted? They paid what they had to, which screams desperation, twm, to a guy who hasnt thrown one pitch in MLB, let alone the ALE

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    I guess.

    If paying Puig, Cespedes, Chapman and Darvish were desperate as well.

    The posting system along with the teams involved drove up the value of the player.

    The big losers as far as I can see are the Cubs and D-Backs who desperately needed another starter.

    The Yankees adrressed a need like the Sox did when they signed Lackey.

    Knowing Lackey was coming off of a season where he had a forearm injury.

    Then TJ the next season.

    Not much different. The Yankees paid for a pitcher they scouted for 2 years.

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    Not much difference? Scouting vs. proven player? Lackey wasn't an unknow to MLB or the AL.

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    Did they overpay for him?

    How about Victorino? They paid to fill a need like the Yankees did.

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    Not this year, they didn't. Vic, either. If we didn't have both or either, this year, we wouldn't have won it all. The point is twm, (over)paying for a known commodity, is one thing. You know nothing of Tanaka, yet.

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    You guys miss the point.

    It certainly wasn't what the Yankees preferred.

    If they had a choice the process that was in place last season for Darvish is what they would have preferred.

    More importantly to win with a large posting fee not counted against team payroll.

    A lot of folks believe the 50 mil to talk to Dice-K was too much, certainly a lot more than any other team put up.

    But the Sox got the pitcher they wanted. Did they over pay?

    Probably not because they were the only team negotiating the terms of his contract.

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    I think you are missing the point.  The Yankees didn't go after Darvish last year because they didn't prioritize pitching and they had committed themselves to staying under the luxury tax within a few years.

    The point is....the Yankees are now desperate for pitching, and have obviously BLOWN UP their plans.....which to me is not to far away from having zero plan at all. 

     
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    Personally I think Bill James is fos.

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    Surprised

    It's not just Bill James.  Any baseball analyst who looks beyond fielding % pretty much says the same thing about Jeter.

     

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    I've heard a lot different from players themselves and managers of other teams.

    I believe they have less of a bias.

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

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    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

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    I thought I said that.

     
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    Anyplace other than SS for Jeter would be a big boost to the Yanks chances in 2014.

     



    +1

     

    He was virtually a statue when he was young and healthy.  Can't imagine what he'll be like at 40, coming off an ankle injury.   Then again, I guess you can't really get much worse than "statue".

     

     



    A statue?

     

    Ha ha. One of the 5 greatest SSs of all time.

    Anywhere else but Boston.

     




    I hope you're kiddding, twm

     

     



    Ok top three.

     

     

     



    you forgot the zero, maybe?UndecidedSealed

     

     

     

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    There is only three shortstops all time in the 3k club Honus Wagner, Jeter, Robin Yount and Cal Ripken.

     

    Very likely Jeter will move past Wagner this season into the no.1 sport all time for shortstops.

    Tell me how that he could not be included as in the top 5 shortstops of all time?

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    I'm talking defensively. Kimmi has it right. If you play long enough, you'll get the number of hits. To say he's one of the all time/around best...not even close, IMO

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    Really?

    Yaz is the only RS I know of with 3k.

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    your point is what?

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    Yaz was a great ballplayer, not every player gets 3k just for hanging around,  because they have a long career.

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    I got that part. What does that have to do with Jeter, being one of the best all round SS of all time?

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

    How about Victorino? They paid to fill a need like the Yankees did.

     


    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

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    I thought I said that.

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    But when Jeter won the AL GG it didn't mean anything.

     
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    I think she referred to him as a statue.

    I tend to believe that Jeter gets less love in Boston than anywhere else so I take any criticism on this site with a grain of salt.

    Personally I think Bill James is fos.

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    Bill James revolutionized the way teams think about talent.  He's published numerous books on the subject and is a senior adviser on talent to the reigning World Series Champions.  Prior to the 2013 season John Henry said that one mistake the FO had made was getting away from James' way of thinking.  The team then went out and signed players that fit the profile James has traditionally supported and everyone was questioning... until October.

    What're your credentials to be criticizing him?

    That giant sucking sound you hear is TWM's credibility going down the drain.

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

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    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

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    I thought I said that.

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    I took caliber, as quality....just wanted to clarifyLaughing

     
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    Anyplace other than SS for Jeter would be a big boost to the Yanks chances in 2014.

     



    +1

     

    He was virtually a statue when he was young and healthy.  Can't imagine what he'll be like at 40, coming off an ankle injury.   Then again, I guess you can't really get much worse than "statue".

     

     



    A statue?

     

    Ha ha. One of the 5 greatest SSs of all time.

    Anywhere else but Boston.

     




    I hope you're kiddding, twm

     

     



    Ok top three.

     

     

     



    you forgot the zero, maybe?UndecidedSealed

     

     

     

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    There is only three shortstops all time in the 3k club Honus Wagner, Jeter, Robin Yount and Cal Ripken.

     

    Very likely Jeter will move past Wagner this season into the no.1 sport all time for shortstops.

    Tell me how that he could not be included as in the top 5 shortstops of all time?

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    I'm talking defensively. Kimmi has it right. If you play long enough, you'll get the number of hits. To say he's one of the all time/around best...not even close, IMO

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    Really?

    Yaz is the only RS I know of with 3k.

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    your point is what?

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    Yaz was a great ballplayer, not every player gets 3k just for hanging around,  because they have a long career.

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    I got that part. What does that have to do with Jeter, being one of the best all round SS of all time?

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    Long after you and I are gone his bust is in Cooperstown with his numbers both offensively 3k hits and counting, the GGs, the WS rings and counting the AS teams, he has to be at least in the top 5.

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

    How about Victorino? They paid to fill a need like the Yankees did.

     


    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

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    I thought I said that.

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    But when Jeter won the AL GG it didn't mean anything.

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    Do you think he deserved the last one he got, twm?

     
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    I think she referred to him as a statue.

    I tend to believe that Jeter gets less love in Boston than anywhere else so I take any criticism on this site with a grain of salt.

    Personally I think Bill James is fos.

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    Bill James revolutionized the way teams think about talent.  He's published numerous books on the subject and is a senior adviser on talent to the reigning World Series Champions.  Prior to the 2013 season John Henry said that one mistake the FO had made was getting away from James' way of thinking.  The team then went out and signed players that fit the profile James has traditionally supported and everyone was questioning... until October.

    What're your credentials to be criticizing him?

    That giant sucking sound you hear is TWM's credibility going down the drain.

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    more importantly...where was TWM during October & November this year???  hiding perhaps???

     

     
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    I think she referred to him as a statue.

    I tend to believe that Jeter gets less love in Boston than anywhere else so I take any criticism on this site with a grain of salt.

    Personally I think Bill James is fos.

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    Bill James revolutionized the way teams think about talent.  He's published numerous books on the subject and is a senior adviser on talent to the reigning World Series Champions.  Prior to the 2013 season John Henry said that one mistake the FO had made was getting away from James' way of thinking.  The team then went out and signed players that fit the profile James has traditionally supported and everyone was questioning... until October.

    What're your credentials to be criticizing him?

    That giant sucking sound you hear is TWM's credibility going down the drain.

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    Bill James is human he like everyone else has a bias.

    High exalted mystic ruler of the Derek Jeter hate club.

    And actually why he is so revered in Boston.

    A rotten shame he can't keep Jeter out of Cooperstown.

     
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    I think she referred to him as a statue.

    I tend to believe that Jeter gets less love in Boston than anywhere else so I take any criticism on this site with a grain of salt.

    Personally I think Bill James is fos.

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    Bill James revolutionized the way teams think about talent.  He's published numerous books on the subject and is a senior adviser on talent to the reigning World Series Champions.  Prior to the 2013 season John Henry said that one mistake the FO had made was getting away from James' way of thinking.  The team then went out and signed players that fit the profile James has traditionally supported and everyone was questioning... until October.

    What're your credentials to be criticizing him?

    That giant sucking sound you hear is TWM's credibility going down the drain.

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    more importantly...where was TWM during October & November this year???  hiding perhaps???

     

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    Gee I've been here for about ten years. After 2004, 2007, 2013.

    Another great point by you.

     
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    Anyplace other than SS for Jeter would be a big boost to the Yanks chances in 2014.

     



    +1

     

    He was virtually a statue when he was young and healthy.  Can't imagine what he'll be like at 40, coming off an ankle injury.   Then again, I guess you can't really get much worse than "statue".

     

     



    A statue?

     

    Ha ha. One of the 5 greatest SSs of all time.

    Anywhere else but Boston.

     




    I hope you're kiddding, twm

     

     



    Ok top three.

     

     

     



    you forgot the zero, maybe?UndecidedSealed

     

     

     

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    There is only three shortstops all time in the 3k club Honus Wagner, Jeter, Robin Yount and Cal Ripken.

     

    Very likely Jeter will move past Wagner this season into the no.1 sport all time for shortstops.

    Tell me how that he could not be included as in the top 5 shortstops of all time?

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    I'm talking defensively. Kimmi has it right. If you play long enough, you'll get the number of hits. To say he's one of the all time/around best...not even close, IMO

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    Really?

    Yaz is the only RS I know of with 3k.

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    your point is what?

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    Yaz was a great ballplayer, not every player gets 3k just for hanging around,  because they have a long career.

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    I got that part. What does that have to do with Jeter, being one of the best all round SS of all time?

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    Long after you and I are gone his bust is in Cooperstown with his numbers both offensively 3k hits and counting, the GGs, the WS rings and counting the AS teams, he has to be at least in the top 5.

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    I dont know about you, twm, but I'm not going anywhere.

    The fact he's in Cooperstown, doesn't equate to being one of the top five all time/around SS. It means he's in the HOF. Rightfully, so.

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

    How about Victorino? They paid to fill a need like the Yankees did.

     


    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

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    I thought I said that.

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    But when Jeter won the AL GG it didn't mean anything.

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    GG's mean very little...sometimes the guy with the best defense wins it.  Sometimes the popular guy who has horrible range but makes few errors gets it.

    Jeter was an above average defender in his prime. But he was no Visquel, he was good enough that with his popularity he won a couple GG.  He had great hands, very sure and made few errors...but guys like Omar just got to more balls than Jeter (and pretty much everyone) ever did.

    Jeter is still one of the best shortstops  Players of all time. 

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

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    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    VIC won the AL Gold Glove

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    I thought I said that.

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    But when Jeter won the AL GG it didn't mean anything.

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    Do you think he deserved the last one he got, twm?

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    Absolutely. As did Victorino this season.

    Not like the voting is done by the fans.

     
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    22 million per year.  He has an opt out at 4 years, so if he is any good he will exercise that making the total more like 26 million (as they spread out the posting fee)  Off the books the total cost to the Yankees would sit at around $36 million a year when you include the salary cap tax. 

    For a guy with a flat fastball who projects as a middle of the rotation starter.

    We have about 5-6 prospects who project as a middle of the rotation starter, even if one pans out we will have our very own Tanaka for less than a million. 

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    Nice post Hugh.

    I think the Yankees had to do this deal, but that doesn't undo the fact that the money and years are ridiculous.  It's nice to be in the position that the Sox are in with regards to their pitching depth and prospects.

     

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    Flat fastball??

    97 mph is flat?

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    the term "flat" when referring to a FB has zero to do with speed.  it has to do with movement.  you could have a 105mph FB.  but if it's straight as an arrow (flat) hitters will destroy it.

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    Ha ha  and you know this.

    From what I've read the hitters can't tell the difference between his splitter and fastball leaving his hand and why both are effective.

    Dream on jr.

     

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    ahhh more name calling.....good.  love how yankees fans so quickly resort to name calling on this board. 

    i will try to enlighten you.....

    calling a pitch "flat" is completely different from calling it "unrecognizable".  learn how to use terms.

    gee, since i have now schooled you (or is it keyboard b!tc|-| slapped?) can i now be Sr.??!!

     
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    I think she referred to him as a statue.

    I tend to believe that Jeter gets less love in Boston than anywhere else so I take any criticism on this site with a grain of salt.

    Personally I think Bill James is fos.



    Bill James revolutionized the way teams think about talent.  He's published numerous books on the subject and is a senior adviser on talent to the reigning World Series Champions.  Prior to the 2013 season John Henry said that one mistake the FO had made was getting away from James' way of thinking.  The team then went out and signed players that fit the profile James has traditionally supported and everyone was questioning... until October.

    What're your credentials to be criticizing him?

    That giant sucking sound you hear is TWM's credibility going down the drain.

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    more importantly...where was TWM during October & November this year???  hiding perhaps???

     

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    Gee I've been here for about ten years. After 2004, 2007, 2013.

    Another great point by you.

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    i didnt point out 2004, 2007, or 2013.  i pointed out October & November 2013.  and my statement is true.  however you wish to spin it.

    *your join date is 2008.

     
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    Did they overpay for him?

    How about Victorino? They paid to fill a need like the Yankees did.

     


    Vic batted .294/.801 this year while playing GG caliber RF for a World Series winning team. This year he earned his keep. I was (and still am) against the third year of his contract, but they did it anyway. Tanaka will still have four more years after his third year, even if he stinks.

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    I thought I said that.

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    But when Jeter won the AL GG it didn't mean anything.

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    GG's mean very little...sometimes the guy with the best defense wins it.  Sometimes the popular guy who has horrible range but makes few errors gets it.

    Jeter was an above average defender in his prime. But he was no Visquel, he was good enough that with his popularity he won a couple GG.  He had great hands, very sure and made few errors...but guys like Omar just got to more balls than Jeter (and pretty much everyone) ever did.

    Jeter is still one of the best shortstops  Players of all time. 

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    Go ahead you can say it.

    One of the 5 best shortstops of all time.

    As painful as it is.

     
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    I think she referred to him as a statue.

    I tend to believe that Jeter gets less love in Boston than anywhere else so I take any criticism on this site with a grain of salt.

    Personally I think Bill James is fos.



    Bill James revolutionized the way teams think about talent.  He's published numerous books on the subject and is a senior adviser on talent to the reigning World Series Champions.  Prior to the 2013 season John Henry said that one mistake the FO had made was getting away from James' way of thinking.  The team then went out and signed players that fit the profile James has traditionally supported and everyone was questioning... until October.

    What're your credentials to be criticizing him?

    That giant sucking sound you hear is TWM's credibility going down the drain.

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    more importantly...where was TWM during October & November this year???  hiding perhaps???

     

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    Gee I've been here for about ten years. After 2004, 2007, 2013.

    Another great point by you.

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    In fairness twm, you did storm out in a huff, saying you "wouldnt be back until the sox were bounced from the playoffs, and they will be" Glad you were wrong. I don't think you were hiding, just couldn't come back as soon as you hopedTongue Out

     
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    Ha ha  and you know this.

    From what I've read the hitters can't tell the difference between his splitter and fastball leaving his hand and why both are effective.

    Dream on jr.

     

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    ahhh more name calling.....good.  love how yankees fans so quickly resort to name calling on this board. 

    i will try to enlighten you.....

    calling a pitch "flat" is completely different from calling it "unrecognizable".  learn how to use terms.

    gee, since i have now schooled you (or is it keyboard b!tc|-| slapped?) can i now be Sr.??!!

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    What do you expect?

    He thinks Jeter is a defensive wiz...

     
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    “Market value is what one or more teams are willing to pay today,” Steinbrenner said

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    just wondering

    who was the last red sox SS to start back 2 back opening days

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    So nice visiting here today. Wish I could stay longer but I have places to go and people to meet.

    Later.

     
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    I think you are missing the point.  The Yankees didn't go after Darvish last year because they didn't prioritize pitching and they had committed themselves to staying under the luxury tax within a few years.

    The point is....the Yankees are now desperate for pitching, and have obviously BLOWN UP their plans.....which to me is not to far away from having zero plan at all. 

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